murraycraven Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Coburn and McDud are just completely and utterly hopeless. They are beyond repair. Nothing new I know but Jesus H. Christ they both suck... My f'ing God at least Coburn is on the short list if he does not get traded but what the hell do you do with McDud and that outrageous contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Trade Coburn and Put MacDud on waivers and send him to the AHL if no one picks him up. I'd wait though until Ghost has returned and back up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Can McDud be sent down HF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Can McDud be sent down HF? Not sure, since we don't have capgeek anymore. I don't recall MacDonald having a NMC or even a NTC, just a long contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Get rid of the entire D with the exceptions of Nick Schultz. and Delgado The only guys who comes to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I have NEVER admitted nor acknowledged this, but Schultz really did look pretty good today. God, I hate that sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Not sure, since we don't have capgeek anymore. I don't recall MacDonald having a NMC or even a NTC, just a long contract.He might not have a NMC but his contract is as good as a NTC.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 He might not have a NMC but his contract is as good as a NTC..........Is NTC a brand of toilet paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Is NTC a brand of toilet paper?Cement galoshes, close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I have NEVER admitted nor acknowledged this, but Schultz really did look pretty good today.God, I hate that sentence.McDonald and Striet were to be the offensive D men we needed. I find them both offensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 McDonald and Striet were to be the offensive D men we needed. I find them both offensiveStreit has been much better than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 IIRC--Macdud has no NTC/NMC. He can be sent down. However it's only 900k of cap savings-per the new CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Coburn and McDud are just completely and utterly hopeless. They are beyond repair.Nothing new I know but Jesus H. Christ they both suck...My f'ing God at least Coburn is on the short list if he does not get traded but what the hell do you do with McDud and that outrageous contract? As I was watching the game, I was thinking to myself, "Is it possible to play any worse defense than these two are playing"? I know most of us Flyers fans watch the Flyers more than any other NHL team. But in all seriousness, I have hard time imagining there are two defensemen on ANY team who really play worse. I swear to God the team would be better off just dressing 4 defensemen every game than having Coburn and McDud in the lineup. There is nobody better on the Phantoms? It can't be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 McDonald and Striet were to be the offensive D men we needed. I think somewhere Garth Snow is laughing hysterically!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 McDonald and Striet were to be the offensive D men we needed. I find them both offensiveWhat's wrong with Streit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 What's wrong with Streit?.Well, he's Swiss, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Howdy: We came into this season knowing the D would be an Achilles's heel so I am not shocked at their performance. If you want to bitch about these dudes' salaries....yes. But candidly, the D was only part of the problem today. Think about the 5-10 minute stretches we couldn't get the puck out of our zone. Is Razor still a competent backup? Our strength this year was supposed to be our offense. I am more worried about their long-term value than the D. Howie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Howdy:We came into this season knowing the D would be an Achilles's heel so I am not shocked at their performance. If you want to bitch about these dudes' salaries....yes. But candidly, the D was only part of the problem today. Think about the 5-10 minute stretches we couldn't get the puck out of our zone. Is Razor still a competent backup? Our strength this year was supposed to be our offense. I am more worried about their long-term value than the D.HowieDarn tootin', Howie. Great post. I'm not sure about Emery. Coming in like he did can't be easy so I give him today. I think your concern about the forwards as a group is well warranted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Darn tootin', Howie. Great post.I'm not sure about Emery. Coming in like he did can't be easy so I give him today.I think your concern about the forwards as a group is well warrantedRux: Thanks. I think Seravalli's weblog on Philly.com has some interesting hints at the Offense issue. Read is perplexing. My fear with Simmonds is that he is a "power play specialist" who will not elevate others. Parts aside--there is no flow to their offense. Our rebuild will be a lot more than the D. Best,Howie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Is Razor still a competent backup? Not sure on this one but i hope they can trade him at the deadline to a contender needing a good backup for the playoffs. He won't net a whole lot but something i would think he has Cup experience and that is priceless sometimes. He may net a low level prospect or a 3rd or 4th round pick. Just for example Nashville could be a decent fit, i'd imagine Emery would be a better backup option than say a Carter Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quigster Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 If Hexie could acquire one in your face,stand up forward,it would go a long way to elevate the rest of team's competition levels. Anybody here still think Laughton is NHL material? He's kind of a semi-player(maybe I will and maybe I won't) like Cooter and B. Schenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 What's wrong with Streit?http://flyers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8468309%C2'> I think the stats show some of the things wrong with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think the stats show some of the things wrong with him? I could not post them for some reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think the stats show some of the things wrong with him? The stats that show him with the 7th highest point total among defensemen in the league? The only Flyer dman in the top 77?The 22+ ATOI?The fourth most power play assists (defensemen) in the league?The positive +/- rating on a piss poor team? Those stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Those stats? All that while playing with GrossmanN...... The Mark Streit-Nicklas Grossmann pairing helped carry the Flyers to the playoffs last year, giving the team a legitimate second pairing behind the consistent Timonen-Coburn duo. So it was an obvious decision to keep the two of them together entering the 2014/15 season, if only to see if their success would carry over.Instead, it's resulted in the Flyers owing Mark Streit one big apology.At 5v5, Streit has spent 451:47 alongside Grossmann, and 234:55 away from the Swede. And in looking at the numbers, it appears they were 234:55 glorious minutes. While paired with Grossmann this year, Streit's Corsi For percentage has been an awful 44.57%, barely worthy of being considered a legitimate NHL third pairing. But away from Grossmann? Streit posts a stellar 60.41%, deserving of first pair minutes on any team. That's not to say that if Grossmann were removed from the equation, Streit immediately becomes the top pair defenseman that the Flyers have lacked. There's a lot at play here - Streit gets more offensive zone starts away from Grossmann, the Corsi gap isn't as wide during close situations (42.23% with, 51.48% away from Grossmann), the overall samples are still a bit small - but what does seem clear is that Nicklas Grossmann is dragging Mark Streit down every time they hit the ice together. Wouldn't it be nice to see what Streit could do away from a possession anchor? Grossmann isn't just the worst possession defenseman on the Flyers. He's on an entirely separate plane of awful, trailing Andrew MacDonald (who owns the defense's second-worst CF%) by a whopping 4.9%. To put it in raw numbers, Nicklas Grossmann is a negative-128 in terms of on-ice shot attempts. The rest of the defense combined is a negative-95. How's that for a combined plus/minus? Is this sort of disparity between a team's worst possession defenseman and the rest of the corps a normal occurrence? Unsurprisingly, no. While there are other blueliners in the league who lag behind the rest of their defense in terms of 5v5 play driving, there is no defenseman in hockey in 2014/15 who trails his teammates quite as badly as Nicklas Grossmann (with at least 200 minutes of 5v5 ice time). http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2015/1/8/7493779/nicklas-grossmann-analysis-flyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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