mojo1917 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Couturier ****ed his sister ? I don't get it either @flyercanuck I wish 14 was a better skater, but I think he could be a Ron Francis type player eventually, but Ron Francis wasn't "Ron Francis" until he was in the league for a couple of 4 years. So as long as there is "growth" I can tolerate some spotty play. The added responsibility is difficult because his running partner hasn't been playing very well this year and his off side winger has been terrible or a player to be named later. I see that he sees the good play, he's getting checked before he can make it, that process will speed up for him and he'll start magically finding open guys for good shots, it just may take more than 30 games at the NHL level for the thought to get to his hands. i know you know this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briere48 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 i just think berube is not a good coach and it's affecting the players, if you look at calary, they have a young team but they are playing better because they have a good coach and knows how to win. i just think they need to clean out the bad contracts and get a vet coach sort of like hitch or hartley that knows how to handle young players and i think this team can get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 @idahophillyWhy are you drinking coffee at 4:15 in the afternoon anyway? If his play is good enough for you, that doesn't bother me. You aren't the GM so I'm not too worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 @mojo1917I don't have a sister...5 brothers so that's not it.More than 30 games?!?! I just spit up in my imaginary coffee. Are we talking about the same player. I think he's played more than 30 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm a coffee junkie and it's only 215 PM here (229 now). Well, my lucky day that it doesn't bother you. I'm glad as well that you are not the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Oh, open an atlas once in a while and see where all 50 states are. Spoiler alert! Hawaii is indeed NOT in the ET zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I can't say that about Couturier because he isn't playing well and hasn't for three seasons. 13 goals, 39 points, +1 as a third line center at age 21 isn't "playing well"? Well, allll right then. We'll just agree to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 @mojo1917I don't have a sister...5 brothers so that's not it.More than 30 games?!?! I just spit up in my imaginary coffee. Are we talking about the same player. I think he's played more than 30 games.please don't waste anymore imaginary coffee on my account. There seems to be a part of my post that you missed, it's this part right here. The added responsibility is difficult because his running partner hasn't been playing very well this year and his off side winger has been terrible or a player to be named later. He's only been asked to expand his game beyond playing defense this year, so while he has been in the league for 3 years, this is the first year where the team has expressed interest in him expanding his game offensively. Maybe there have been more than 30 games played this year but it is still less than half a season where he's been expected to add to the score sheet. Any offense from 14 to this point has been lagniappe. The point i am making is he's expanding his role in the NHL and has only been that for 30 games, give him a little time to work on some things,( his shot could be better), and some decent linemates and we'll see. He'll learn to use his frame to shield the checkers he's a very good stickhandler. at 22 he's not close to being a finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 There seems to be a part of my post that you missed, it's this part right here. I thought that's what you meant, roughly 30 games this season in his mandated expanded role. Didn't want to put words in your mouth though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The Flyers as a whole are having a bad year. That might have an effect on the 2nd youngest player on the team. So far this year he has 5 g 7 a 12 points. Certainly not tearing the league up. But he also gets the worst faceoffs of any player on the team as far as offence goes and usually has the job of shutting down the other teams top players. Lets look at the players taken in his draft... RNH 1st overall 6 g 11 a as Edmontons top line center. Gabriel Landeskog 2nd overall 7g 9 a Jonathan Huberdeau 3rd 2 g 9 a Adam Larsson 4th 1 g 3 a Ryan Strome 5th 6g 13 a Mika Zibanejad 6th 7g 6a Mark Scheifele 7th 3 g 7 a In other words...players take time to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 FC, that puts it into even more perspective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 @idahophilly He also has the 3rd most total points in that entire draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 @idahophilly He also has the 3rd most total points in that entire draft class. I see that. You add in his shut down ability and no wonder he sucks! ANY one can take out Malkin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Hextall would still have Eckblad selling tickets in Allentown. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well, Gee... It's a nice building from what I'v seen. Someone has to sell the tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 13 goals, 39 points, +1 as a third line center at age 21 isn't "playing well"? Well, allll right then. We'll just agree to differ.Are you talking about this season? Im guessing not. without checking, I guess thats last season. Those numbers are pretty good for a third liner at 21. Are they good enough from a third year #8 pick? Is there any sign of him doing that or better consistantly? It looks like we'll get a chance to see. I'm in the "keep him" camp now...it's more entertaining for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Hextall would still have Eckblad selling tickets in Allentown. Just saying. Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Are you talking about this season? Im guessing not. without checking, I guess thats last season. Those numbers are pretty good for a third liner at 21. Are they good enough from a third year #8 pick? Is there any sign of him doing that or better consistantly? It looks like we'll get a chance to see. I'm in the "keep him" camp now...it's more entertaining for me.Are they good enough for #8 pick in his third year?Find a #8 that's done better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Oh my God, I can't find the link now, but I just read somewhere this morning that Couturier tore the tag of his mattress. Crucify the bastard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Oh my God, I can't find the link now, but I just read somewhere this morning that Couturier tore the tag of his mattress. Crucify the bastard! He did what!!!!??? I'v freakin' had it with him. Snotty nosed 22 year old 3rd line center. Hook up his nards to a car battery and throw the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Are they good enough for #8 pick in his third year?Find a #8 that's done better...A number 8 or anyone 8-100? You got me there...not a very good draft. Saad is a pretty good player on a cup team though. He has had better numbers.If he has the numbers you listed consistantly, I'd keep him. The first two center spots are accounted for so I would take that from the 3rd line center. He has to do it consistantly though.I still think they wanted more than a third line center when they picked that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Offensively, he looks slow mentally and physically and makes a lot of poor decisions. it's lack of confidence more than anything I bet. He's working a line with dead weight hanging off it (offensively) and his options are limited. If he was a seasoned vet and not 21 maybe he could right the ship, or at least get it back above water. Right now the team stinks except for the top line. The rest of the lines there's no flow, no chemistry, no nothing. Couturier can't change that. If he was on a good team with smart, fast wingers I guarantee you he'd surprise everyone (around here) with his offensive production. Maybe I'm crazy but when I've seen him play with confidence he looks like a 30+ goal scorer. Hopefully Hextall keeps the young guys around for the duration - i.e. however long it takes them to develop. @brelic - good reminder about BSchenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 A number 8 or anyone 8-100? You got me there...not a very good draft. Saad is a pretty good player on a cup team though. He has had better numbers.If he has the numbers you listed consistantly, I'd keep him. The first two center spots are accounted for so I would take that from the 3rd line center. He has to do it consistantly though.I still think they wanted more than a third line center when they picked that high.They did. And they may have it. I meant look at any #8 taken. Find a better one.There are a couple in the past 10-15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 From BroadStreetBuzz last spring. I think this author says it well. ConclusionCouturier has clearly shown that he has the defensive chops to be recognized along with Kopitar, Toews, and Bergeron. Unfortunately, he does not have the offensive numbers to go along with such players. His zone starts, quality of teammates, and lack of power play time bury Couturier in a defensive shell that no player can escape. Unless the Flyers find a line that can ease his zone start disparity, give him the opportunity to play with two competent wingers, and offer him consistent power play time we will likely continue to see Couturier a one-dimensional shutdown player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 They did. And they may have it.I meant look at any #8 taken. Find a better one.There are a couple in the past 10-15 years.I think you have to look at #8 and later. If #8 is cursed for some reason, they could have always trade down. It looks like defense may have been a better option that year. There always seems to be a log jam at center yet they always pick one up. Either way, he has had numbers better than most players behind him in the draft. He had a good rookie season followed by a bad sopmore year followed by a good season and another bad season so far this year. That scares me a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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