Bummed on Yandle

[canoli]

Keith Yandle = Matt Carle. Would you trade those guys for Carle?

you can't be serious. you think Yandle is no better than Matt Carle?? I always liked Carle and wanted to keep him (with a healthy raise) but he isn't in the same league as Yandle. Similar styles? I'll grant you that...

[AlaskaFlyerFan]

you can't be serious. you think Yandle is no better than Matt Carle?? I always liked Carle and wanted to keep him (with a healthy raise) but he isn't in the same league as Yandle. Similar styles? I'll grant you that...

There isn't much difference between the two. They are almost the exact same player. Go compare their stats for this year and their careers. Yandle is a little more offensive but he takes more penalties. Otherwise, no difference.

[fan4ever]

So even after this season some of you still think Timonen is a top pairing guy??

Nothing personal but what did Timonen ever do to you? Your opinions are certainly jaded where he is concerned, no?

[mojo1917]

So even after this season some of you still think Timonen is a top pairing guy??

The reality is he's our top defenseman. He's been better defensively this last month and has been very good QBing the power play. Scoring goals and creating offense and as a bonus he's able to take the ice for us.

[Polaris922]

@fan4ever

Nothing! I used to use him in fantasy even though he's a Flyer . But I noticed last year how far he's really fallen. If you guys had a better offensive presence on D he'd be your #4 at best. The way he started this season I didn't even think that but your squad has been really struggling with D and injury.

@mojo1917

Everyone says he's picked up for you guys. The only thing I think he does well is QB the power play. Even though he's +2 it seems more coincidence than design with him as his skating and positioning clearly aren't what they were. The short season will benefit him though. He shouldn't get so worn out like his second half last season. And maybe you guys will acquire a true #1 type so he can skate second or third pairing and still QB your PP... Something he still excels at.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Polaris922

[mojo1917]

@Polaris922

it is what it is,

if we can get younger guy to come the team and take that spot great. Kimo's been very good the last month,

keep in mind this is on a team that has Bruno Gervais playing significant minutes so , yes Timmonen is our #1 and well, i'm glad Bruno isn't.

actually Gervais is a scapegoat, he gets exposed by the really good skill players but who doesn't ? in small doses he's serviceable.

[Polaris922]

@mojo1917

I really though someone would clue Holmgren in and you guys would push for Yandle or someone similar. Now it'll be interesting to see your off season and draft day.

[JackStraw]

@mojo1917

I really though someone would clue Holmgren in and you guys would push for Yandle or someone similar. Now it'll be interesting to see your off season and draft day.

The price for Yandle would have been way too high.

[Polaris922]

The price for Yandle would have been way too high.

Sounds like it may have been steep but I'd like to know. Like I said could make your off season and draft more interesting though.

[canoli]

There isn't much difference between the two. They are almost the exact same player. Go compare their stats for this year and their careers. Yandle is a little more offensive but he takes more penalties. Otherwise, no difference.

Watch them play and the difference is fairly obvious. Yandle is way more "in charge" out there than Carle ever could be, or (i'm sure) ever wants to be. The numbers can't show it but you can see it clearly even on t.v. They may look similar because they play the same kind of game but Yandle is a legitimate top-pair player and Carle isn't. Simply put Yandle is a leader and Carle is not. That's a huge difference on D. It's why Kimmo makes $6mil a year and Coburn never will.

I never attributed all of Carle's success to Pronger (like many did) but I do know that Carle + Anyone Else (as a top pair) would've been a liability. Yandle doesn't need Pronger to make him a legit 1-2 guy.

[radoran]

Sounds like it may have been steep but I'd like to know. Like I said could make your off season and draft more interesting though.

Steep? Phoenix had no reason and no need to move Yandle. None. (and let's not rehash the "new ownership might have wanted to deal a prized asset under contract at a reasonable number for the next three years" theory)

The offer would have needed to completely blow the doors off the Coyotes' GM and I don't think the return would have justified the price.

[AlaskaFlyerFan]

The numbers can't show it but you can see it clearly even on t.v.

Are you saying the stats are *statistically inaccurate*? LOL

They may look similar because they play the same kind of game but Yandle is a legitimate top-pair player and Carle isn't. Simply put Yandle is a leader and Carle is not. That's a huge difference on D. It's why Kimmo makes $6mil a year and Coburn never will.

I disagree. Both guys are top pair guys. Top pair players get the most ice time. Carle led the Flyers last year (without Pronger) in ice time. He was the #1 D-man last year. Carle leads the Bolts in ice time this year. The next closest player is Hedman with 47 seconds (average) per game less than Carle. That tells me Carle is the #1 D-man on the Bolts team.

Yandle isn't the top D-man on his team. That distinction belongs to the law firm, Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Yandle is #2 with 2 mins 40 seconds (average) per game less than OEL.

Another factor that tells me they are essentially the same player is their contracts. Only $250K. If Yandle was so much better he'd be getting paid like it.

[jammer2]

The big difference between Yandle and Carle is Yandle joins the rush with aggressiveness and is much more creative with the puck in the offensive zone. Carle entes the offensive zone and most times will curl back to the blue line, Yandles is looking for holes in the defense he can exploit. He's not as soft on the puck and his shot is much more accurate than Carles....other than that, pretty even...lol. Don't think either one is a good hitter, but Yandles also gets the nod in physicality (barely).

[JackStraw]

@jammer2 - agree that Yandle is a bit better than Carle but I don't really think he's a franchise type defenseman. Definitely would not trade Couts+ for him, which is probably what it would take.

[jammer2]

@jammer2 - agree that Yandle is a bit better than Carle but I don't really think he's a franchise type defenseman. Definitely would not trade Couts+ for him, which is probably what it would take.

I have a tendancy to agree with that. Think Yandle is a tad overrated. Certainly not a stud in his own end.

[doom88]

Some fans I think are experiencing "grass is greener" syndrome regarding Yandle.

[jammer2]

@doom88 I agree, he's a good d-man, but if people are expecting a saviour, they are barking up the wrong tree. His overall game has a few holes in it, but he would help with the offensive part of the equation. I just don't think he would be worth the asking price, if he is even available.

[mojo1917]

AFF said it here and I said it last year, we had a Yandle type, his name was Matt Carle, this fan base will be howling Yandle's a bum the first time he's in the frame of an opposition goal, especially if we traded valuable assets to bring him to town.

Letting Carle walk is IMO the 2nd most egregious of Paul Holmgrn's missteps last year, the first being the Bob fiasco

[radoran]

AFF said it here and I said it last year, we had a Yandle type, his name was Matt Carle, this fan base will be howling Yandle's a bum the first time he's in the frame of an opposition goal, especially if we traded valuable assets to bring him to town.

Letting Carle walk is IMO the 2nd most egregious of Paul Holmgrn's missteps last year, the first being the Bob fiasco

B-b-b-b-but he had an offer out to Suter! W-w-w-w-w-what was he supposed to do? Sign his own guy? B-b-b-b-b-but there was another guy who could be paid more!

[OccamsRazor]

The price for Yandle would have been way too high.

Would Ryan Ellis be worth looking into....leave no rock unturned...right depends on the asking price.

Edit: Or Jonathan Blum even...he's a RH shot and a RFA.

Edited April 6, 2013 by OccamsRazor

[jammer2]

@OccamsRazor Ellis can't even stay in the bigs this year. He's more of a pp specialist at this point in his career. Still think he has more to show going forward, but his development has stunted....at least right now. His value is pretty low right now.

[Mad Dog]

The big difference between Yandle and Carle is Yandle joins the rush with aggressiveness and is much more creative with the puck in the offensive zone. Carle entes the offensive zone and most times will curl back to the blue line, Yandles is looking for holes in the defense he can exploit. He's not as soft on the puck and his shot is much more accurate than Carles....other than that, pretty even...lol. Don't think either one is a good hitter, but Yandles also gets the nod in physicality (barely).

I would also add that Yandle is just a better defender that Carle. How quickly people forget the costly turnovers of Carle and how often his name was cursed last year (especially in the NJ series) when all he had to do is just take body to neutralize the puck mover. There were games - not to mention shifts - when Carle's defense was non-existing. I don't know about others, but those times when he was standing around just watching people move by him are very fresh in *my* memory. While Yandle may not necessarily be Scott Stevens-like, he is MUCH more effective in his own zone playing one-on-one. It's not even close.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Mad Dog

[Mad Dog]

Seriously, your team is one good puck moving D-man away from making good an your expectations.

I am not sure it's so simple... We are more than just one d-man short. But who knows, if Meszaros comes back compeltely healthy healthy next year and if our Dannish prodigy continues developing and lives up even partially to the Pronger's comparison, we *may* need just one good puck moving d-man.

And forwards-wise, the Flyers could be in a much worse shape. Many teams would kill to have Giroux, Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, Reid, and Talbot on their team. Couturier took a step back and was easily the worst forward on the team, but we'll see if this was just a sophomore slump... I hope so... Just need to add character and leadership, and the offense should be OK.

The goaltending situation is a whole different case altogether.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Mad Dog

[OccamsRazor]

His value is pretty low right now.

Then what better time to give him a change of scenery....like Mason...a 2nd chance.

[flyercanuck]

@OccamsRazor

You want a hobbit playing D? Ellis is the type of defencemen you bring in when ALL you need is a pp qb. He's really way too small to be a viable NHL defenceman. And certainly not a good fit for a team already playing with half AHL calibre blueliners.