B21 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Quitter! Quitter? Bi-Winning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH1FlyersFan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I don't want Crankshaft hesitating to make that big legal hit because he's not in the mood to fight Rosehill that day.But I do!!! That suits me just fine. Mission accomplished. Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH1FlyersFan Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I don't think there should be any worries/hesitation/revenge/ramifications for any big legal hit whatsoever. Those hits should be ENcouraged. Not DIScouraged. That includes big legal hits on my guys.I agree. My fear is the League's tendency to be inconsistent and ambiguous about what is a big legal hit and what isn't -- calling some big legal hits illegal and calling some that aren't legal legal. I think that creates more disruption and causes more hesitation among players than worrying about possibly dropping the gloves. They may not throw that big legal hit because of how an on-ice official may botch the call or how the League may interpret the rules on any given day. I know 100% consistency is an impossibility, but if we're going to talk about the impact fighting has on discouraging legal hits, let's talk about the League's inability to get it right too. And that's where I agree with DGG - less League involvement the better. I lean towards letting the players sort it out. Most acknowledge and operate within the code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 I agree. My fear is the League's tendency to be inconsistent and ambiguous about what is a big legal hit and what isn't -- calling some big legal hits illegal and calling some that aren't legal legal. I think that creates more disruption and causes more hesitation among players than worrying about possibly dropping the gloves. They may not throw that big legal hit because of how an on-ice official may botch the call or how the League may interpret the rules on any given day. I know 100% consistency is an impossibility, but if we're going to talk about the impact fighting has on discouraging legal hits, let's talk about the League's inability to get it right too. And that's where I agree with DGG - less League involvement the better. I lean towards letting the players sort it out. Most acknowledge and operate within the code.That's the double edged sword...the league's inconsistency. And they have the benefit of instant replay, multiple camera angles, slow motion, etc. In real time, the players don't.I think the league can and will improve but I can certainly understand the hesitation of putting this "policing" solely in the hands of the league.That said, I'd rather a guy get an undeserving suspension for a legal hit than an undeserving injury from having to drop the gloves after a legal hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 But if it's Crosby that's about to be lit up by Rinaldo, don't you want him hesitating knowing he has to fight Derek Engelland 2 secs after laying him out? Even if the hit is "clean" by anyone's definition? Not being a di*ck here, but if it's Giroux about the get whacked, I want that split second of doubt..it maybe enough to have the player protect himself.If Rinaldo starts thinking twice about throwing hits, he'll be riding a bus from Glen Falls to San Antonio soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 This topic made me laugh... There was talk of being scared of Voracek AND Rosehill in the same thread! Hahahahahahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 This topic made me laugh... There was talk of being scared of Voracek AND Rosehill in the same thread! Hahahahahahaha!Apparently the Leafs are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Apparently the Leafs are.Was the rift with Orr any good? Orr seems to be losing a step in the fights but he's still a good contender. I'm surprised Rosehill could take him to be honest, as Rosehill is generally a wuss. I tried watching it on hockeyfights.com but the limited video they have there looks more like they were swinging and missing a lot then fell down on one another. Some said it was a punch by Rosehill that knocked Orr down, but with all the flailing and spinning they looked more like dancers than fighters. Is there a better video of it? Watch out.. you guys are on a roll now huh? 4 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 @Polaris922 From what I saw, Rosehill landed a left, not flush, but hard and it contributed to Orr falling down, giving Rosehill the win, but I do think Orr was off balance when the left landed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 @Polaris922 From what I saw, Rosehill landed a left, not flush, but hard and it contributed to Orr falling down, giving Rosehill the win, but I do think Orr was off balance when the left landed.Fair enough! The video on the fight site wasn't very good. Rosehill must have either had a grudge with Orr or was pumped up to win one for his new team. He's usually a punching bag out there. Could be an interesting turn for him. Maybe HE is one of those guys who needed a new start somewhere?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 @Polaris922 I disagree with the punching bag comment. He wins a lot more than he loses. I dunno about the grudge thing, it's possible, but I think he was just doing what he's paid to do. fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 @Polaris922 I disagree with the punching bag comment. He wins a lot more than he loses. I dunno about the grudge thing, it's possible, but I think he was just doing what he's paid to do. fight.The last few years he's been just below .500 on winning fights at the NHL level if I'm remembering my stats right. He usually wins against middle weights but loses badly to most true heavies. I remember Godard cleaning him out pretty badly, and THAT will forever be how I remember Rosehill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Don't take this as me sticking up for Rosehill, cause I can't stand him. But isn't Godard in a different weight clas than Rosehill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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