LeafSuck16 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Pronger is done for the season, so what now? Who do they get to fill a huge hole without giving up the farm now that each and every team knows we need D help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcflyer Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Sounds like they are going to play the kids for bit, see how they do, Bourdon, Marshall and Gustafson. Most likely make a move for a top 4 dman by the trade deadline. dreger said don't be surprised if Weber and Suter's name come up because of the team's trade history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafSuck16 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 That's funny that you said Weber, I was thinking we need a guy who is a presence. Tough guy who is smart and will do some dirty work, someone like Weber but without the price tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I heard rumors about talks between Nashville and Philly and Weber's name was mentioned. I wondered if that was due to Pronger being worse off than originally anticipated. Maybe there was truth to it after all.I wonder what it would realistically take to snag Weber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafSuck16 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) It's gonna be a big price tag, didn't he just resign with Nashville? Edited December 16, 2011 by LeafSuck16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafSuck16 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 OK, well maybe not, he just signed a 1 year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 it will cost a pretty penny for a guy like weber... jvr and a high pick at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafSuck16 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 it will cost a pretty penny for a guy like weber... jvr and a high pick at least.Sorry, can't do it, not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I would be fine with JVR and a high pick. JVR has been mediocre his whole career minus a handful of playoff games. Weber is a franchise d-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly29 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I would be fine with JVR and a high pick. JVR has been mediocre his whole career minus a handful of playoff games. Weber is a franchise d-man.Mediocre his whole career??? He has only played what like two seasons? He is 22 years old and he has been mediocre his whole career??? Please tell me your being sarcastic right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I could live with losing jvr I think. Is Carle a throw in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafSuck16 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 FlyGuys03, we have a franchise D-man, hurt or not we have him for a while and I don't think that they can afford another franchise D-man unless Pronger goes on LTIP for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off_the_post Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Schenn, 1st rd pick, marshall for weber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Pronger is done for the season, so what now? Who do they get to fill a huge hole without giving up the farm now that each and every team knows we need D help?I think Homer waits until everyone gets healthy. Neither Schenn nor JVR fetch much right now so I'm not sure trading them gets you much. At most I think you will see a pending RFA/UFA 3/4 dman by the trade deadline. As well as this team is playing, they are young and not read for the a run to the SCF IMHO. Finish the year strong. Get the kids as much playing time and experience as possible.Replace Pronger in the off season and make some tweaks as needed.Then make your push next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Schenn, 1st rd pick, marshall for weber.The other GMs have seen Schenn play as much as we have. Definitely not a "his value has never been higher..." type guy right now. Maybe by the deadline but I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDailey Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Its all about capanomics and assets and planningI dont know if the next CBA will come soon enough to help with contracts of older playersIts going to be like Rathje I think (not a comparison of players) tries to play goes on LTIR each season until the new CBA comesGut feeling, they dont do anything major until the off season UNLESS it all falls together and they have the makings of another runRight now theres some tease like that, but need Roo back before they start moving the other pieces aroundI would do Schenn #1 and a prospect for a top 4 D RFA/UFA who would indicate signing an extension if traded here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafSuck16 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The squad looks pretty good right now. They have a good mix of young vets (if there is such a thing) and some young to really young kids, but as the season goes on, these vets are gonna ware down. They need a 2/3 D-man now, so this does not become a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlfly Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Cory Sarich should be available now, since Calgary is sucked this year. Shenn + 2nd round will do it. He 3 mil per year and UFA at end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkscrewy Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 hypothetically speaking, who do you guys think in the NHL could replace someone like Pronger? It kills me to say the only other guy might be Chara; not for size, but for leadership, experience, and nastiness. Dunno who else could possibly replace a guy like Pronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertaflyer Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Shenn for Sarich? Your kidding right. You don't trade a guy like Shenn for a D man that isn't going to crack your top 4. I don't think the Flyers are going to panic. Look for a for good 5-6 defensemen. Probably off a team like the Canes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I'll side with the wait-till-next year gang. I think Pronger's career is over. If anything goes down it might be fore a guy like Grossman who won't cost that much. The kids on D will grow. This team is rising to the occasion for both Pronger and Giroux. Homer has to be happy.Best,Howie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Sounds like they are going to play the kids for bit, see how they do, Bourdon, Marshall and Gustafson. Most likely make a move for a top 4 dman by the trade deadline. dreger said don't be surprised if Weber and Suter's name come up because of the team's trade history.Hi WCF- I agree with the philosophy of the first part in playing the kids, but not the second. There are a couple of reasons: 1) Nobody is saying Prongers career is done. To make a move for a top 4 will cost assets. 2) Either Suter or Weber are going to cost 7.5+ million. I just don't see that kind of cash being moved around- especially given the chemistry of this team. This team is the best team overall that the Flyers have iced in awhile. IMHO, let Carle / Mesz / Coburn / Kimmo be the guys. Ice time to Bourdon / Guz will be a bonus in experience and payoff more down the line. Everyone forgets how good Gus was. 18 minutes a night and a +5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 JVR has been mediocre his whole career minus a handful of playoff games. Weber is a franchise d-man.His whole career- all of 2 and 1/3 years. He was on pace to put up a 32 / 32 year prior to getting injured. I get the invisible stuff. But a 22 year old in his third season that puts up 32 / 32 is pretty good. I get the Weber love (and Suter). Yes, I would do a JVR-trade for either of them, BUT not until Pronger is KO'd for the long term. I mean, where is the 8m going to come from to pay either of those guys?? JVRs new contract is not on the books this year. I will stop being a yah yah with JVR (for now), but he still has a high ceiling. Truthfully, I would let us play out the year with the kids. Look how Suter / Weber got so good: they played huge minutes at a younger age. I am not saying Bourdon / Gus are equal skill, but that in the short term, lets develop them at the NHL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Schenn, 1st rd pick, marshall for weber.Two questions: 1) Where does the 8m plus come from to re-sign Weber? 2) Where does the next high-end center to replace Briere come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I think we have a solid 5-6 d-man pair in Bourdon and Marshall......Let them play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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