Polaris922 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Yeah, none of that's gonna work. Ok, I've changed my mind: Kimmo needs to continue to play the PK. And I like him on the PP too much to take him off there. So, we're left with no choice but to make his regular shift that of the 3rd pairing, i.e. as the #5 guy.Ha! I'm a genius.Haha! You are you are!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Projected starting lineup:By Corey Masisak14 For all of the plaudits earned from dismantling their rivals in the first round of the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs, the Philadelphia Flyers are likely still smarting from a second-round defeat just days later.Claude Giroux became a superstar and Scott Hartnell one of the top power forwards in the League, but the New Jersey Devils ended the Flyers' potential Stanley Cup run, and the offseason in Philadelphia brought more questions than answers.Jaromir Jagr and Matt Carle are gone after signing elsewhere as free agents. James van Riemsdyk was traded for Luke Schenn to help bolster the depth on defense -- but the deal has also left the forwards a little thin if there are injuries. There are already injuries to deal with on the back end.Ruslan Fedotenko was added -- like Max Talbot the year before, he brings with him a strong postseason pedigree. Bruno Gervais was signed and could earn a spot on the team's third defense pairing.Then there is Ilya Bryzgalov. He was brought in as the final piece on a potentially great team last season, but now he's going to be counted on to help keep an elite team from slipping backwards. He makes the Flyers' destiny a wide range of possibilities, both good and bad.ForwardsScott Hartnell - Claude Giroux - Jakub VoracekWayne Simmonds - Brayden Schenn - Danny BriereRuslan Fedotenko - Sean Couturier - Matt ReadEric Wellwood - Maxime Talbot - Zac RinaldoJody ShelleyDefensemenKimmo Timonen - Nicklas GrossmannBraydon Coburn - Luke SchennErik Gustafsson - Bruno GervaisMarc-Andre BourdonGoaltendersIlya BryzgalovMichael LeightonHHHHhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm....very interesting.... Edited August 26, 2012 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Haha! You are you are!!As long as you keep providing excellent comic fodder like your "Timonen: #5 D on most teams" material, I will continue to look like a genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 As long as you keep providing excellent comic fodder like your "Timonen: #5 D on most teams" material, I will continue to look like a genius. It's how I see his season going is all. See what Laviolette does with him on the PP and PK, then see how much ice time he wracking up. Come February and March that will have decided his fate. If he's third line minutes plus PP and PK he should be okay. If he's still chugging top minutes I believe he'll be hurting. Something's gotta give... I hate watching quality D-men slide, but I've followed d-men more closely than anything else for years, and watched closely as a lot of better ones than Timonen have slipped away, sadly. I hope you're right for his health's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 @Polaris922 If the strike lasts into December, Kimo should be fine....but I'd still rest him on back to back nights, or at least really curtail his TOI in the second game of back to backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 We appreciate your input Polary and a valued posters perspective is what you bring, much respect to you and yours.Now we got our lil' Mario in Claude and his partner Luigi in Jake, Hartnell not to sure, he's no oompa loompa....so he'll just have to park himself by the pipes and score, if he shows his but crack,.. WE HAVE OURSELVES "THE PLUMBER LINE."Anywho...thanks for your input, but Timo being a 5th man.....thats a pretty steep reach "on any team" I get what your saying and your saying it for the good of the team, but that's almost like giving us a B1t(H slap and saying, 'hey wake up!"But I feel ya brah! I feel you.....that was a shock and awe statement, but I feel you... and I know where it's coming from.....deep down inside.......................I can feelitt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 @Polaris922Yeah I'm worried about the same thing.And I agree with @LegionOfDoom and his statements about the respectful perspective you bring here. You can take a joke and dish one out too. Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 @jammer2@LegionOfDoom@Podein25Appreciate it gents... Just hope we get a season to watch at this point. then we can all be in shock on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I hate watching quality D-men slide, but I've followed d-men more closely than anything else for years, and watched closely as a lot of better ones than Timonen have slipped away, sadly. I hope you're right for his health's sake.usually with defensmen, like quarterbacks, it isn't so much a slide as it is drop off a cliff. when the wheels go, or in a qb's case the arm , it gets ugly quickly, especially for the guys that relied upon said wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 usually with defensmen, like quarterbacks, it isn't so much a slide as it is drop off a cliff. when the wheels go, or in a qb's case the arm , it gets ugly quickly, especially for the guys that relied upon said wheels.I don't think Timo has relied upon his wheels as much as positioning and hockey smarts.A Paul Coffey falls off a cliff - Timonen can be an effective (not $6.3M) player for another few years yet (and likely will, barring injury).But, as with any player as they get older, you need to adjust with the times. Does #1 PK and #1 PP with 2/3rd pairing minutes make a guy a "5"?If so, that's a "5" I want on my team (again, not for $6.3M).I'm comfortable with Timonen as the top pair guy as long as he's comfortable with it. Given the situation, it's essential. But that doesn't, for me, equate to 30 TOI on a regular basis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Again my #5 man point was referring to even strength minutes played. Obviously his PP time is his best time on the ice. And he gets a lot of PK time for you boys as well. To make the most of those I'd cut his 5v5 time to third pair so he lasts all season and into the playoffs. A lot of you disagree and I respect that. Just my thinking is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Again my #5 man point was referring to even strength minutes played. Obviously his PP time is his best time on the ice. And he gets a lot of PK time for you boys as well. To make the most of those I'd cut his 5v5 time to third pair so he lasts all season and into the playoffs. A lot of you disagree and I respect that. Just my thinking is all.Yeah, I think the whole "5" thing depends on your definition - which was never really addressed and I can't type on my phone fast enough to comment over the past weekend (lol)The idea has been for the past few seasons to cut Timonen's playing time, and he's been forced to play (and play injured) due to injuries to other players.I've said previously that a 2/3 role is best for him at 5v5. He was playing 2nd pair with Pronger here. As it is, I see maybe a 22/22/16 split for the 1/2/3 lines as they look now. Hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Flyer Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I think we could stand pat for now and make a deal or two later in season.....if there is one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Flyer Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I can't believe there may be no hockey..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 @Vegas FlyerWelcome Vegas to HockeyForums There will be hockey. Maybe not till Nov- Dec. But I fully expect an agreement prior to the Winter Classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Flyer Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 @Vegas FlyerWelcome Vegas to HockeyForums There will be hockey. Maybe not till Nov- Dec. But I fully expect an agreement prior to the Winter Classic.Thanks 101......Been a Flyer fan since day one.....season ticket holder from'70-'80....been in Vegas over 20 years....can't live without my Orange n Black!Love the young guns...they will bring us a Cup soon....been too many years without it.Hope you are right...I could wait till Nov...not long after Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 @Vegas FlyerI really don't think the NHL wants another black-eye in another lengthy lockout. But until the games begin we have a knowledgeable and witty forum here to keep us all entertained until they drop the puck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Flyer Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I'm so glad I found this forum......some of the others waste too much time saying nasty stuff that they would never say in person.....it should be hockey talk....not that other junk.......thanks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) Yet ANOTHER Flyers fan... Welcome @Vegas Flyer Edited September 3, 2012 by Polaris922 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 @Polaris922Well then, get some more of your boys on here, and if you know any Rangers, Wings, Habs et al fans invite them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 @Polaris922Well then, get some more of your boys on here, and if you know any Rangers, Wings, Habs et al fans invite them too.I'm trying bud... You know how it is when most people prefer sites focused on their own team. Even fans of the game will avoid adversity sometimes when it's what they do just for fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 I'm trying bud... You know how it is when most people prefer sites focused on their own team. Even fans of the game will avoid adversity sometimes when it's what they do just for fun.This is where my Sabres folk are...Onward and upward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 I'm trying bud... You know how it is when most people prefer sites focused on their own team. Even fans of the game will avoid adversity sometimes when it's what they do just for fun.HF Boards has existed for quite some time with fans from all teams. I think we can do the same especially when we offer better software, with no advertisements, no trolls or spam, and a solid core of knowledgeable members. It will just take some time to grow, we aren't even quite a year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 @mojo1917@radoran@hf101This is my new hockey home online really. I like the layout and conversation. I'm not one to shy away from adversity. I enjoy lively debates and the occasional kick in the teeth to keep on the path. I'll keep pushing it, I promise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 and I think Schenn has a tremendous upside to him down the road if he's tapped right. NHe is young. Jack Johnson played some of his best hockey of his NHL career after going to Columbus. Schenn is a better hitter than Johnson. Schenn is 3 years younger than Johnson. As a Flyers fan AND hockey fan, I am hoping both (Schenn / JVR) reach their promised ceilings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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