OccamsRazor Posted May 1, 2023 Author Share Posted May 1, 2023 As I first reported back in early January, the Flyers are exploring ways to move on from Kevin Hayes. If you listened to his media availability to end the season, Hayes seems to be aware of it. As Friedman first reported a month ago and SanFilippo brought up last week on the Snow the Goalie podcast, a likely destination for Hayes is believed to be the Columbus Blue Jackets. Former GM Chuck Fletcher was engaged in trade discussions with the Jackets leading up to the deadline but kept the details of the negotiations quiet, I’m told. Speaking to someone close to the situation on Monday, the Flyers feel that making Hayes a $5 million player is fair value for what he brings on the ice. I don’t get the sense that is nonnegotiable on their part, the person I spoke to seemed pretty firm on their belief of what they feel should be retained of Hayes’ $7.14 million AAV over the next three seasons. The same person also told me that the Flyers will revisit trade discussions with Columbus between now and the NHL Draft centered around Hayes. Hayes, 31, a career point season total with 54 over 81 games. He originally signed his seven-year, $50 million contract with the Flyers in June of 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratefulFlyers Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Does that writer believe one of the teams with a 1-6 pick wants Provorov? Or is he talking about a lower pick than the Flyers’ likely 7th? If it’s a top 6 great. Otherwise I’m not sure it’s a very good idea. Provorov may not be everything I hoped he’d be by now but I think his best is yet to come. As the Flyers tighten up the roster we should see Provorov’s game tighten up too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 1, 2023 Author Share Posted May 1, 2023 2 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said: Does that writer believe one of the teams with a 1-6 pick wants Provorov? How about Dave Hakstol?? He had his best year under him. Who knows how their season ends up but depends on the return before i am moving on from one of the best players on this roster. Sure he has struggled since Niskanen's departure but it is deeper than that who would have some issues with this dysfunctional organization i say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 19 hours ago, flyercanuck said: It's hard to believe the Flyers front office could never figure this out when it's plain as day. Not that hard at all to believe. That front office is filled with tools, they just can't fix schidt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 Big year coming up for Zamula. He will be a Flyer or he want i think so either way either earns a spot and kept or maybe even dealt some time this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 23 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said: Does that writer believe one of the teams with a 1-6 pick wants Provorov? Or is he talking about a lower pick than the Flyers’ likely 7th? If it’s a top 6 great. Otherwise I’m not sure it’s a very good idea. Provorov may not be everything I hoped he’d be by now but I think his best is yet to come. As the Flyers tighten up the roster we should see Provorov’s game tighten up too. I don't see teams with a shot at Bedard/Fantilli/Michkov or Carlsson trading for Provorov. That leaves the Habs and Yotes (barring another team moving up) and the Yotes just traded away Chychryn and Ghost for picks, so I think you can count them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pilldoc Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Ok ...while we are talking about rebuild ...here is post #1 of at least 2 more ... Who would you trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, pilldoc said: Ok ...while we are talking about rebuild ...here is post #1 of at least 2 more ... Who would you trade? # Player Name Pos. GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM Birthplace Age 11 Travis Konecny R 60 31 30 61 77 ONT: London 25 13 Kevin Hayes C 81 18 36 54 23 MA: Dorchester 30 74 Owen Tippett R 77 27 22 49 16 ONT: Peterborough 23 48 Morgan Frost C 81 19 27 46 24 ONT: Aurora 23 21 Scott Laughton C 78 18 25 43 50 ONT: Oakville 28 77 Tony DeAngelo D 70 11 31 42 73 NJ: Sewell 26 86 Joel Farabee L 82 15 24 39 41 NY: Syracuse 22 49 Noah Cates L 82 13 25 38 12 MN: Stillwater 23 25 James Van Riemsdyk L 61 12 17 29 28 NJ: Middletown 33 9 Ivan Provorov D 82 6 21 27 24 Russia: Yaroslavl 25 6 Travis Sanheim D 81 7 16 23 40 MAN: Elkhorn 26 55 Rasmus Ristolainen D 74 3 17 20 32 Finland: Turku 27 45 Cam York D 54 2 18 20 18 CA: Anaheim 21 57 Wade Allison R 60 9 6 15 36 MAN: Carman 24 24 Nick Seeler D 77 4 10 14 56 MN: Eden Prairie 29 44 Nicolas Deslauriers L 80 6 6 12 136 PQ: La Salle 31 17 Zack MacEwen 1 C 46 4 5 9 54 PEI: Charlottetown 26 23 Lukas Sedlak 2 C 27 3 5 8 12 Czech Rep.: Ceske Budejovice 29 52 Tyson Foerster R 8 3 4 7 8 ONT: Alliston 20 38 Patrick Brown 3 C 43 2 5 7 17 MI: Bloomfield Hills 30 22 Brendan Lemieux 4 L 18 2 4 6 21 CO: Denver 26 58 Tanner Laczynski C 32 2 2 4 2 IL: Minooka 25 54 Egor Zamula D 14 0 4 4 2 Russia: Chelyabinsk 22 20 Kieffer Bellows 5 L 27 3 0 3 6 MN: Edina 24 61 Justin Braun D 51 0 2 2 19 MN: Minneapolis 35 62 Olle Lycksell R 8 0 1 1 8 Sweden: Oskarshamn 23 42 Hayden Hodgson R 1 0 0 0 0 ONT: Windsor 26 50 Adam Ginning D 1 0 0 0 2 Sweden: Linkoping 22 47 Ronnie Attard D 2 0 0 0 0 MI: White Lake 23 73 Elliot Desnoyers L 4 0 0 0 0 PQ: Saint-Hyacinthe 20 59 Jackson Cates C 5 0 0 0 0 MN: Stillwater 24 71 Max Willman C 9 0 0 0 4 MA: Barnstable 27 33 Samuel Ersson G 12 0 0 0 0 Sweden: Falun 22 32 Felix Sandstrom G 20 0 0 0 0 Sweden: Gavle 25 79 Carter Hart G 55 0 0 0 0 ALTA: Sherwood Park 24 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, CoachX said: # Player Name Pos. GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM Birthplace Age 11 Travis Konecny R 60 31 30 61 77 ONT: London 25 13 Kevin Hayes C 81 18 36 54 23 MA: Dorchester 30 74 Owen Tippett R 77 27 22 49 16 ONT: Peterborough 23 48 Morgan Frost C 81 19 27 46 24 ONT: Aurora 23 21 Scott Laughton C 78 18 25 43 50 ONT: Oakville 28 77 Tony DeAngelo D 70 11 31 42 73 NJ: Sewell 26 86 Joel Farabee L 82 15 24 39 41 NY: Syracuse 22 49 Noah Cates L 82 13 25 38 12 MN: Stillwater 23 25 James Van Riemsdyk L 61 12 17 29 28 NJ: Middletown 33 9 Ivan Provorov D 82 6 21 27 24 Russia: Yaroslavl 25 6 Travis Sanheim D 81 7 16 23 40 MAN: Elkhorn 26 55 Rasmus Ristolainen D 74 3 17 20 32 Finland: Turku 27 45 Cam York D 54 2 18 20 18 CA: Anaheim 21 57 Wade Allison R 60 9 6 15 36 MAN: Carman 24 24 Nick Seeler D 77 4 10 14 56 MN: Eden Prairie 29 44 Nicolas Deslauriers L 80 6 6 12 136 PQ: La Salle 31 17 Zack MacEwen 1 C 46 4 5 9 54 PEI: Charlottetown 26 23 Lukas Sedlak 2 C 27 3 5 8 12 Czech Rep.: Ceske Budejovice 29 52 Tyson Foerster R 8 3 4 7 8 ONT: Alliston 20 38 Patrick Brown 3 C 43 2 5 7 17 MI: Bloomfield Hills 30 22 Brendan Lemieux 4 L 18 2 4 6 21 CO: Denver 26 58 Tanner Laczynski C 32 2 2 4 2 IL: Minooka 25 54 Egor Zamula D 14 0 4 4 2 Russia: Chelyabinsk 22 20 Kieffer Bellows 5 L 27 3 0 3 6 MN: Edina 24 61 Justin Braun D 51 0 2 2 19 MN: Minneapolis 35 62 Olle Lycksell R 8 0 1 1 8 Sweden: Oskarshamn 23 42 Hayden Hodgson R 1 0 0 0 0 ONT: Windsor 26 50 Adam Ginning D 1 0 0 0 2 Sweden: Linkoping 22 47 Ronnie Attard D 2 0 0 0 0 MI: White Lake 23 73 Elliot Desnoyers L 4 0 0 0 0 PQ: Saint-Hyacinthe 20 59 Jackson Cates C 5 0 0 0 0 MN: Stillwater 24 71 Max Willman C 9 0 0 0 4 MA: Barnstable 27 33 Samuel Ersson G 12 0 0 0 0 Sweden: Falun 22 32 Felix Sandstrom G 20 0 0 0 0 Sweden: Gavle 25 79 Carter Hart G 55 0 0 0 0 ALTA: Sherwood Park 24 Make me an offer for anyone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Well we have to keep some! ... LOL But I get your point ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, pilldoc said: Well we have to keep some! ... LOL But I get your point ........ Im keeping Delauriers. He's the only sonovabytch who does his job consistently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, CoachX said: Im keeping Delauriers. He's the only sonovabytch who does his job consistently His job isn't relevant in todays NHL. How many DesLauriers are there, combined, on the remaining playoff teams? None? Cause you need players who can play hockey...4 lines deep. This is part of the reason the Flyers suck, cause the guys building the team have NO CLUE how the current NHL is played. Edited May 3, 2023 by flyercanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: His job isn't relevant in todays NHL. How many DesLauriers are there, combined, on the remaining playoff teams? None? Cause you need players who can play hockey...4 lines deep. Sounds to me like you're discounting his impact during the season and how that can help maybe reach the playoffs and you know once there he doesn't have to play unless needed. Sure i guess you don't have to have him to make the playoffs but i'm not going act like i'm not happy he is there to protect the players needing protected and even the ones who need motivation maybe during the week. A guy like does have a place in the NHL and his contract and what they pay him is the least of their worries right now. But 6 goals form a enforcer that 10 minutes of ice time a night isn't too bad. What they need to concentrate on is purging the Hayes and DeAngelos and step a step towards the rebuild come draft time. It is a 3 years away from being 3 years a way moment again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Sounds to me like you're discounting his impact during the season and how that can help maybe reach the playoffs and you know once there he doesn't have to play unless needed. Sure i guess you don't have to have him to make the playoffs but i'm not going act like i'm not happy he is there to protect the players needing protected and even the ones who need motivation maybe during the week. A guy like does have a place in the NHL and his contract and what they pay him is the least of their worries right now. But 6 goals form a enforcer that 10 minutes of ice time a night isn't too bad. What they need to concentrate on is purging the Hayes and DeAngelos and step a step towards the rebuild come draft time. It is a 3 years away from being 3 years a way moment again... His impact? We're picking 7th overall. He beat up a few guys....that won us what? There's many guys that NEED to go before DesLauriers, sure. But he's far, far far away from a keeper on the Flyers as far as I'm concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, flyercanuck said: His impact? We're picking 7th overall. So you are putting the finish on a guy who plays 10 minutes a night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: So you are putting the finish on a guy who plays 10 minutes a night? ya, that's what I said. It's ALL on DesLauriers...I've been preaching that all year, haven't I? If he's not a keeper, then he should go. That's what I said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: ya, that's what I said. It's ALL on DesLauriers That is what i am reading...all these players under achieving and we worried about a goon and what he makes. I guess i'm done with this conversation nothing good is going to come from it. Later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: That is what i am reading...all these players under achieving and we worried about a goon and what he makes. I guess i'm done with this conversation nothing good is going to come from it. Later. If the team is rebuilding, I don't see any need to retain a 32 year old goon who plays less than 10 minutes a night. He doesn't have to be the 1st guy traded, or 2nd or 3rd. But he certainly doesn't need to stay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: His job isn't relevant in todays NHL. How many DesLauriers are there, combined, on the remaining playoff teams? None? Cause you need players who can play hockey...4 lines deep. And yet he still has a job. Teams keep signing him. Im sure all us forum experts know more than all the Gm's in the league. That's why there are more of us then there are of them. And if they were all smarter they would probably be on this forum instead of deciding who ACTUALLY plays on their teams. But I think I will forgo my infinite hockey wisdom and extend them an ounce of courtesy that there is reason ND is employed. My initial post, albeit honest, was a joke. However, as pointed out, ND is not the reason this team sucks. And he won't be the reason they keep sucking. Considering where they are as team, and where he is a player, I think he is useful and valuable. I know if I'm Morgan Frost, having a guy like Delauriers watching my back, would give me a boost of confidence Edited May 3, 2023 by CoachX 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: If the team is rebuilding, I don't see any need to retain a 32 year old goon who plays less than 10 minutes a night. He doesn't have to be the 1st guy traded, or 2nd or 3rd. But he certainly doesn't need to stay. Like I said, why not keep him around for this rebuild? Its good to have a guy who's willing to punch someone in the face for no apparent reason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachX Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: He beat up a few guys....that won us what? THERE IT IS! that's what the problem is....he beat up a FEW. He needs to beat up alot more to have the impact we need 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: cause the guys who built building the team have NO CLUE how the current NHL is played. It's a new day until it isn't. And it might not be. 21 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: If the team is rebuilding, I don't see any need to retain a 32 year old goon who plays less than 10 minutes a night. He doesn't have to be the 1st guy traded, or 2nd or 3rd. But he certainly doesn't need to stay. Is Deslauriers "the reason" they are picking 7th? No. Is he "a reason" they will be better next year? Probably not. Doesn't "need" to go, doesn't "need" to stay. Like anybody else over 27 if you can get something useful for them, seriously consider it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Just now, CoachX said: THERE IT IS! that's what the problem is....he beat up a FEW. He needs to beat up alot more to have the impact we need He had a career year in PIMs this year. Also played more games than in any season since 2014-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, CoachX said: And yet he still has a job. Teams keep signing him. Im sure all us forum experts know more than all the Gm's in the league. That's why there are more of us then there are of them. And if they were all smarter they would probably be on this forum instead of deciding who ACTUALLY plays on their teams. But I think I will forgo my infinite hockey wisdom and extend them an ounce of courtesy that there is reason ND is employed. Chuck Fletcher signed him. Do I really need to run through all of Chucks acquisitions and remind you how each and every one of them sucked? Please say no. 11 minutes ago, CoachX said: My initial post, albeit honest, was a joke. However, as pointed out, ND is not the reason this team sucks. And he won't be the reason they keep sucking. Considering where they are as team, and where he is a player, I think he is useful and valuable. I know if I'm Morgan Frost, having a guy like Delauriers watching my back, would give me a boost of confidence I know it was. I agree he's not THE reason the team sucked. He's part and parcel of it, not his fault, he's just not very good, his "job" is a dying, if not dead asset in todays NHL. He was signed by a management team that still can't work a cap and "he big.....he hit" is more valuable than hockey smarts, skating and skill. And if someone is going to run Morgan Frost...they're going to run him. Nobody has ever had someone lined up and went "Hmmm, better not, my goon might have to fight their goon over it". It's why good teams have moved on from it. And it's why Clarke, Homer and Fletcher had to have him. And Hayes. And Risto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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