LA interested in Konecney

[radoran]

3 minutes ago, pilldoc said:

That said, the idea of trading Konecny for future assets seems ridiculous, especially if Flyers GM Chuck Fletcher has designs on trying to turn this team around quickly.

 

So, Petry then?

 

[pilldoc]

2 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

So, Petry then?

 

 

 

In Chuckles case ....sadly yes.  I repeat HATE this FO.

[GratefulFlyers]

Good write up about TK from O’Conner but what he didn’t mention is why he’s shooting at 6% and why these long goal droughts on a reg basis. Maybe that’s a whole different article but still…TK is far from the only one who used to provoke a lot of Wow! but now makes a lot of us go, Huh? 

[radoran]

2 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

Good write up about TK from O’Conner but what he didn’t mention is why he’s shooting at 6% and why these long goal droughts on a reg basis. Maybe that’s a whole different article but still…TK is far from the only one who used to provoke a lot of Wow! but now makes a lot of us go, Huh? 

 

The whole damn team is dysfunctional. And if your center options are Brassard and Laughton there's going to be down times. They don't have a back end to support puck control in the offensive zone. They are predictable on the power play. They rarely really look like they're set up offensively at all.

 

I say this and I haven't watched a lot recently. I say this because that's what guys PAID BY THE TEAM to cover them are saying. Meltzer. Myrtetus. Morganti. Post game Live.

 

TK's play is a facet of that. Partly it's related to his new contract - he's paid to be good so he SHOULD be, but he hasn't had the drive or the driver to make it happen. To help him get through it. Instead he's on his fourth coach in six years.

 

And then there's the boatload of quit that has built up. There's no resolve. Very little fight. Sure they start out strong against the Caps, get rewarded with two points - and then collapse against the Oilers. They fold tents at the first sign of adversity too often. Game 7 against the Isles was a good example.

 

There's a weight on this team. They're expected to be a playoff team every year. They're SUPPOSED to be. When that goes well - as it did under AV in his first year - they ride that momentum. When it doesn't, they sag.

 

They don't have good, strong leadership that demands consistency. #notallhisfault but also not NOT his fault.

 

They brought in guys from other, losing franchises to "help."

 

They "have great resources" and "spend to the cap" and "have great hockey minds" and they've been mostly dreadful for 10 years.

 

And they're told how great they are - "one of the best rosters in the NHL" their marketing team told me on the phone at the end of last season. They're told they're a piece away.

 

And then they aren't. And they're comfortable with that. Because they have been for 10 years. But they will be - next season.

 

Now they're going to go into next season doing it the same way they've always done it.

 

And maybe *this* time they'll be right!

Edited March 4, 2022 by radoran

[SCFlyguy]

17 hours ago, CoachX said:

Thank you. I will resume watching in five years. You have saved me alot of wasted time and anguish

Hope you like losing hockey.  You're going to see a lot of it the next 5 years.

[CoachX]

15 hours ago, pilldoc said:

That said, the idea of trading Konecny for future assets seems ridiculous, especially if Flyers GM Chuck Fletcher has designs on trying to turn this team around quickly. Konecny is the type of player that every playoff team wants — a high-energy sparkplug with real offensive skill who gets under the skin of the opposition. If you’re going to trade Konecny, it better be in a package for an impact defenseman or a star-level forward.

pretty sure I heard somone on here say that same thing....wonder who that was

 

oh, thats right...IT WAS ME!

[CoachX]

12 hours ago, radoran said:

And if your center options are _________ and Laughton there's going to be down times.

You sir, have made my day. Second best post i've read today

 

12 hours ago, radoran said:

The whole damn team is dysfunctional. And if your center options are Brassard and Laughton there's going to be down times. They don't have a back end to support puck control in the offensive zone. They are predictable on the power play. They rarely really look like they're set up offensively at all.

 

I say this and I haven't watched a lot recently. I say this because that's what guys PAID BY THE TEAM to cover them are saying. Meltzer. Myrtetus. Morganti. Post game Live.

 

TK's play is a facet of that. Partly it's related to his new contract - he's paid to be good so he SHOULD be, but he hasn't had the drive or the driver to make it happen. To help him get through it. Instead he's on his fourth coach in six years.

 

And then there's the boatload of quit that has built up. There's no resolve. Very little fight. Sure they start out strong against the Caps, get rewarded with two points - and then collapse against the Oilers. They fold tents at the first sign of adversity too often. Game 7 against the Isles was a good example.

 

There's a weight on this team. They're expected to be a playoff team every year. They're SUPPOSED to be. When that goes well - as it did under AV in his first year - they ride that momentum. When it doesn't, they sag.

 

They don't have good, strong leadership that demands consistency. #notallhisfault but also not NOT his fault.

 

They brought in guys from other, losing franchises to "help."

 

They "have great resources" and "spend to the cap" and "have great hockey minds" and they've been mostly dreadful for 10 years.

 

And they're told how great they are - "one of the best rosters in the NHL" their marketing team told me on the phone at the end of last season. They're told they're a piece away.

 

And then they aren't. And they're comfortable with that. Because they have been for 10 years. But they will be - next season.

 

Now they're going to go into next season doing it the same way they've always done it.

 

And maybe *this* time they'll be right!

this is the first

[CoachX]

12 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said:

Hope you like losing hockey.  You're going to see a lot of it the next 5 years.

I've seen alot of it over the last 20. Im a Flyer fan. What's your point?

[SCFlyguy]

That the Flyers organization has refused to face reality for 10+ years and if they continue to keep their head in the sand, the results will continue to be poor.

[SCFlyguy]

Treating anyone on this team as untouchable is dumb.

[CoachX]

48 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said:

Treating anyone on this team as untouchable is dumb.

so what do you suggest? Should they trade away everyone and start over? What makes you think they could actually get rid of (trade/waive/buy out etc.) every player on the roster?

[OccamsRazor]

19 minutes ago, CoachX said:

so what do you suggest? Should they trade away everyone and start over? What makes you think they could actually get rid of (trade/waive/buy out etc.) every player on the roster?

 

They can't and get good deals for everyone. But if they move the ones on my list it is a great start.

[GratefulFlyers]

18 hours ago, pilldoc said:

"...If you’re going to trade Konecny, it better be in a package for an impact defenseman or a star-level forward. Otherwise, I’d probably just keep him. It’s not like his contract is a bad one, and I do expect his goal scoring pace will improve eventually, as he’s not going to keep shooting 6.1 percent despite a career rate of 11.8 percent forever."

 

quoted from the O'Connor article @pilldoc posted

 

This makes sense - package him for an impact player otherwise keep him. He can be a tremendously valuable player to the Flyers - once they get their act together. But will they get their act together? The outlook is not good. We already know Fletcher wants to sign Ristolainen for 6 years - that's been in the media and now Yeo has him on the PP. You read that right, Ristolainen on the PP.

 

What am I missing with this guy? He is slow as fkng molasses - his foot speed obviously but a slower D-man who plays his position well can be a valuable asset. But Ristolainen is slow THINKING. 99 times out of a 100 when he receives a pass along the wall in the Flyers' end he turns towards the wall and stops the puck - then looks around for an outlet. Of course by then he's swarmed. Worse still he's got Sanheim thinking slow too.

 

I turned on a Philly radio station after a recent game, 97.5, and I couldn't believe my ears. They just LOVE Ristolainen. They even love the pairing. I don't know what they're seeing (or what I'm missing) because for me that pair is a liability way more often than it's a strength.

 

For my money you can add Sanheim to the list of young, promising players the Flyers have ruined. Best thing for Travis, assuming Fletcher gets his way, is a trade to any other NHL team. Same goes for the other Travis.

 

//rant ramble

 

[mojo1917]

@GratefulFlyers

file this under in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

The Ristolainen/Sanhiem pair has been the most effective/highest performing since December.

That's not saying much; but generally, when they are out together the puck is going in the offensive direction.

When they get stuck is when they have the bad combination of speedy forecheckers coming at them vs lines 3 and 4 and sometimes G's line. That's when Risto and Sanhiem both turn into Stan and Laurel, Heckle and Jeckle, pick you pairing of clowns. 

I don't think Ristolainen has been bad, I know I'm the lone voice in the wilderness.

But then I'm just watching the player and not thinking about everything that has been given up to bring him to the team. His play is not commensurate with the "treasure" used to acquire him.

In a vacuum, his play is fine for #3 or #4 defensman.

The bigger problem is his pairing is logging more time than they should be because Seeler/Yandle is ****** terrible and Provorov/Braun isn't really an NHL top pairing either.

 

 

 

 

 

[CoachX]

32 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

He can be a tremendously valuable player to the Flyers - once they get their act together.

i.e, hire a good coach

[icehole]

20 hours ago, radoran said:

 

They did. And to an extent, still do.

 

What they don't have is any real gamebreaking talent. Konecny has grit, a nice shot, and has been a 20/50 forward. That's not nothing. Farabee along the same lines. Provorov, if he's "just a #2" is still a good result.

 

Allison is injured, but touted to compete for the roster next year along with that Radcliff guy. Foerster as well.

 

So, that's a "really good" pool - it's just lacking a "great" player.

 

 

Jeff Petry is sitting right there

 

I think it is too early to give up on TK, but if he's a key to getting an actual established player of substance, I think they have to consider it...

 

Is that a great prospect pool though? I won't pretend to know what the rest of the league looks like, or even what these flyers prospects are expected to do. I just feel like fans have been getting way too excited for mediocrity coming from prospects lately. Frost was a very popular prospect since they drafted him, and he can barely crack the lineup even with all the injuries. You named players like Radcliff, forester, and Allison, and you use words like "compete for a roster spot". I don't want guys that will compete for a roster spot. The flyers have plenty of those players. I want guys that will be impact players. I know it's not easy, but you'd think they could get it right every now and then.

[radoran]

32 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

I turned on a Philly radio station after a recent game, 97.5, and I couldn't believe my ears. They just LOVE Ristolainen.

 

They were actually talking about the Flyers? Must have been postgame, because they virtually  NEVER talk about them any other time...

[CoachX]

Just now, icehole said:

The flyers have plenty of those players. I want guys that will be impact players. I know it's not easy, but you'd think they could get it right every now and then.

there you go, thinking again

[radoran]

5 minutes ago, icehole said:

You named players like Radcliff, forester, and Allison, and you use words like "compete for a roster spot". I don't want guys that will compete for a roster spot.

 

That was Fletcher and Briere that mentioned them in that context, actually...

 

5 minutes ago, icehole said:

Is that a great prospect pool though?

 

It's what you get when you're picking in the middle of the first round...

Edited March 4, 2022 by radoran

[icehole]

7 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

They were actually talking about the Flyers? Must have been postgame, because they virtually  NEVER talk about them any other time...

I used to fight this fight with 97.5 constantly. The flyers could be 60-0 right now and this is what the talk would be:

1. Harden

2. Eagles Draft

3. NFL Draft

4. NcAA tournament 

5. MLB lockout

6. Godfather

7. Parks Casino

8. MMA

9. Flyers

 

Unfortunately, I can't fight that fight right now. The flyers aren't worth talking about, and to be honest, and the city really doesn't care about hockey. I really believe that. Philadelphia is not a good hockey town anymore.

[mojo1917]

30 minutes ago, icehole said:

I really believe that. Philadelphia is not a good hockey town anymore.

The Flyers have only themselves to blame.

There was a strong foundation and they sucked and priced their way into irrelevance.

[radoran]

55 minutes ago, icehole said:

Philadelphia is not a good hockey town anymore.

 

#halloffame

[pilldoc]

1 hour ago, icehole said:

I used to fight this fight with 97.5 constantly. The flyers could be 60-0 right now and this is what the talk would be:

1. Harden

2. Eagles Draft

3. NFL Draft

4. NcAA tournament 

5. MLB lockout

6. Godfather

7. Parks Casino

8. MMA

9. Flyers

 

Unfortunately, I can't fight that fight right now. The flyers aren't worth talking about, and to be honest, and the city really doesn't care about hockey. I really believe that. Philadelphia is not a good hockey town anymore.

 

I listen to 94 WIP and it is the same thing there ......

[mojo1917]

FWIW Harden has been pretty exciting news and has played better than I imagined on the floor.

I think the Sixers could be legitimate title contenders if this group remains healthy and Deandre Jordan can summon 50% of his old self. 

[CoachX]

1 hour ago, icehole said:

Unfortunately, I can't fight that fight right now. The flyers aren't worth talking about, and to be honest, and the city really doesn't care about hockey. I really believe that. Philadelphia is not a good hockey town anymore.

yeah, I don't think so. Don't poke the sleeping Bear. Philly is a passionate sports town. It's still a hockeytown, but the fans are smart enough to know you can't piss down our back and say its raining. This isn't a fair weather town. No way. No Sir. Watch what happens if they bring a tough as nails, offensive wizard in. If and when this franchise decides to pull Holmgren's head out of Clarke's ass, you will see those same fans. We are all still here. Dormant. Lying under the surface just waiting for a reason