flyercanuck Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'd take an old moldy jockstrap just to get rid of this overpaid bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 IT's too early to call him a bum, maybe a chum that needs some rum, then we'll have some fun, when he goes on a run, to win us the Cup so we'll be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorado_al Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Problem is........ right now he's playing like a nun..... who can't skate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 @LegionOfDoom OK, maybe it's too early to call him a bum. I'd take an old moldy jockstrap just to get rid of this horrible contract. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'll go first then. He's a bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingswede Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'd take an old moldy jockstrap just to get rid of this overpaid bum.I hear you! When Bryz was mentioned at first before he got here all I heard "he is underrated, he is awesome bla bla" but STILL he had not PROVED ANYTHING. All he did was playing for crappy teams and being a back-up for all I know. Sure he is a decent golie but for this money? no mofo way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) My tables didn't paste properly... I'll try again later. Edited November 24, 2011 by brelic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 He is shaping up to be exactly what I expected, unfortunately for the flyers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 He is shaping up to be exactly what I expected, unfortunately for the flyers...So, it is him, or the Flyers?As in, if you put Quick or Price or Thomas back there, would it be any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I don't see enough of Quick to have an opinion. If Montreal wins games, Price is usually the reason. We've all seen what Thomas can do, and unfortunately for the rest of the league, he's doing it again. Bryzgalov is paid to win games, not lose them. That was a horrible Islander team that was scoring at will until we switched goaltenders. He looked like Leighton in there, only not as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 So, it is him, or the Flyers?As in, if you put Quick or Price or Thomas back there, would it be any different?Why can't it be both? I have stated many times that the defense is pretty weak. But he lets in softies a lot and is terrible at handling the puck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Why can't it be both? I have stated many times that the defense is pretty weak. But he lets in softies a lot and is terrible at handling the puck.Because you said that he was shaping up to be what you expected, which implies a goaltender with a >3.00 GAA and <.900 sv%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The problem is not with his skating or his abilities. it is his head. No goalie coach needed right now. He needs to see a therapist and get the stuff under the mask fixed. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingswede Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 So, it is him, or the Flyers?As in, if you put Quick or Price or Thomas back there, would it be any different?I think so yes. Im not the type of guy who thinks golies are the most important player on the team... but when you pay a guy that mutch you expect that he does crazy impossible gamewinning saves. Make the difference. Not just being decent or solid. Tim Thomas does that for an example.I wouldnt complain if we just had Bob and he would playing like Bryz is doing now becouse then we could afford 1 or 2 better defensmen or a winger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm back and forth. After waiting for a true #1 for so long, which I think it's fair to say Bryz is when he is on his game, will the fans and the media turn on him if he doesn't start playing like one by Jan 1? Feb1? Nobody wanted Tim Thomas just a year or two before he literally carried the Bruins to the cup. He's off his game but are the Flyers realistically winning the cup this year? Let him grow with the team this year. Work out some kinks, get younger on D some how and let the kids develop. Now if he is still playing like this late this season and even next fall? Run him out of town with flaming pitchforks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Lets be patient... No need to jump the gun here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Because you said that he was shaping up to be what you expected, which implies a goaltender with a >3.00 GAA and <.900 sv%.I expected him to not be what he was in phx. That is what we are seeing. I believe it is because of a combo of an overrated blueline and him not being as good as advertised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoli Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I think our D is fine, both our D-men (even if a few of them are getting old) and our Team D. Factoring in all the new players and the number of rookies who are starting, I'm really impressed by the cohesion they've shown this early. Of course they've made mistakes but they're not easy to play against. Even with the blown coverage fk-ups here and there, the Flyers D is not the glaring problem on the ice.What's hurting the Flyers the most are the undisciplined penalties, the anemic PP and the goaltending, specifically Bryzgalov.Exactly what the fk did we get for ~$60 million? Can anyone deny Bryzgalov has sucked for the most part so far? a few good games and the rest of the time he's been out to lunch. Great.Forget the salary forget the 9 years, does this guy inspire confidence? At all? I wonder what the skaters are thinking lately... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDailey Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 We have to wait and let everything settle in and see whats going on mid seasonLets be real this is a rebuilding year and unfortunately Bryz is not as steady as he has been other places.If he carried the Yotes maybe he knew that and had a better mental approach, maybe he does not have the mental edge here with all the big names on D, Flyers history etc-that is he is too fracking relaxed- and I dont mean shale energy process, its a battlestar galactic reference to another word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I expected him to not be what he was in phx. That is what we are seeing. I believe it is because of a combo of an overrated blueline and him not being as good as advertised.Flyers defense:ProngerTimonenCoburnCarleMeszarosLilja/Gus/MAB/WalkerCoyotes defense:YandleEkman-LarssonSchlemkoKleslaAucoinMorrisRozsivalIs that Coyotes defense really better than ours? Morris is overrated, Rozsival is bad, and Ekman-Larsson was a rookie last year, so probably prone to some mistakes. Aucoin, well, I don't know much about his defensive play... but he's pretty old. I would love to have Yandle, but he's their #1, so of course we would want him here.I just don't see how that defense is so much better than ours (if at all!). So I wouldn't say that our defensemen are unable to do the job; I really believe that if you swap their 6 for our 6, you'd probably end up with the same result.. i.e., we would still be bad defensively.And Bryz being overrated? Absolutely. I was happy they went after him because in my mind, *anything* was an upgrade over that clusterf*&k that we had last year. But 9 years AND an NMC for a 31 year old goalie???? Sheer stupidity. Guess he didn't learn from the Pronger contract debacle.I'll say it again: there is no way in hell that Bryz lasts nine years in Philly. Book it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I mentioned during game chat that the coyotes have a system that worked for bryz and that defense. I said that in response to you saying laviolette's system is partly to blame. We agreed in other words. Comparing players on paper is not going to work in this case. Many people have said how awful mesz has looked so far this year. And carle is ALWAYS lost when Pronger is out. Timonen has looked bad more often then not as well this year. The defense is a paper tiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pags569 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 What I'm seeing are all things that can be worked out. Our team defense has been terrible. The defensemen have been okay with the exception of clearing out the front of the net on occasion. The forwards need to do a better job of picking up the loose man in the slot or back door. Maybe Bryz is expecting them to be covered and not ready for the shot. I'm not defending him for letting those goals in but that could be the case. If March comes around and those softies are still going in, then I'll gladly admit I was wrong. I hope this all works out with time playing together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Flyers defense:ProngerTimonenCoburnCarleMeszarosLilja/Gus/MAB/WalkerCoyotes defense:YandleEkman-LarssonSchlemkoKleslaAucoinMorrisRozsivalIs that Coyotes defense really better than ours? Morris is overrated, Rozsival is bad, and Ekman-Larsson was a rookie last year, so probably prone to some mistakes. Aucoin, well, I don't know much about his defensive play... but he's pretty old. I would love to have Yandle, but he's their #1, so of course we would want him here.I just don't see how that defense is so much better than ours (if at all!). So I wouldn't say that our defensemen are unable to do the job; I really believe that if you swap their 6 for our 6, you'd probably end up with the same result.. i.e., we would still be bad defensively.And Bryz being overrated? Absolutely. I was happy they went after him because in my mind, *anything* was an upgrade over that clusterf*&k that we had last year. But 9 years AND an NMC for a 31 year old goalie???? Sheer stupidity. Guess he didn't learn from the Pronger contract debacle.I'll say it again: there is no way in hell that Bryz lasts nine years in Philly. Book it! Sure, that's stupid enough. But the thing that really gets me is he traded Richards and Carter away who he'd signed to longterm deals before their NTCs kicked in and then goes and hands out yet another one to a guy who really hasn't proven a whole lot, other than he's about as good as any other goalie we've had over the last 20 odd years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terp Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 And Bryz being overrated? Absolutely.I think he is still capable of playing at a very high level but that his sensibilities are so delicate that it will take a season or two for him to settle in anywhere he goes. I get the sense that if he walks into his bathroom and his toothbrush is in the wrong place, he can't sleep for a week. He's the quintessential flaky goaltender who is off his feed right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I mentioned during game chat that the coyotes have a system that worked for bryz and that defense. I said that in response to you saying laviolette's system is partly to blame. We agreed in other words. Comparing players on paper is not going to work in this case. Many people have said how awful mesz has looked so far this year. And carle is ALWAYS lost when Pronger is out. Timonen has looked bad more often then not as well this year. The defense is a paper tiger.Gotcha. I agree that you can't compare these things on paper only. Does anyone know what system PHoenix actually uses? I haven't watched them enough (or at all, actually) to know how they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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