flyer4ever

Nobody wants to get bent over. However, every cup winner since Bett turds salary cap has had a bent over season or 3. The GMs around the league (except the Flyers) are too savvy. Multiple lottery picks is really the only way .

I dont disagree you need a veteran presence to guide the kids. IMHO, Coots and Ellis aren't those guys. They are on the downside of their careers and will more than likely struggle to stay healthy. There are young guys who are natural leaders, though we don't know their off ice habits. Jonathon Toews was one of those guys, I think Alex Newhook may be another. Our very own B Clarke was one too, as was Mike Richards. This deadline and the next 2 drafts is a great opportunity for the Flyers to build a great nucleus of young players. I have a hard time getting excited about it though I would like to be. None of this conjecture matters much, Chuckles is probably going to be guided down the same old path of bringing more bad contract 30 yr olds to creep back to mediocre.

The LA Kings have perhaps the best prospect pool in the NHL. I would definitely call them back re TK. Sadly, the dysfunctional hockey ops that is the Flyers are still thinking this is a piece or 2 away, and they will be looking to get back some 28 year olds with injury history. I get excited for a moment thinking what could be, and then come back to reality and realize there is zero reason for optimism with the current personnel in charge. It is sad really, that they can be be this misguided and uninformed. I can only hope the building is empty next season and the suits at comcast blow up the front office. It seems to me that is the only way this is ever going to change. Pinning your hopes and playoff dreams on Coots and Ellis is laughable.

Whats up with Koneckny? Only watched the 3rd period, no sound. Didn't see #11 on the ice.

These conversations are nice time wasters, intere sting opinions shared by all us experts. The Flyers lack of brain trust has their own stubborn, dementia driven plan to rebuild the team to mediocre. IMHO, the question you need to ask regarding every player in the organization is will he be a contributor to a serious cup run in 5 years, where does he fit in the salary cap in 5 years. The LA Kings have perhaps the best prospect group in the NHL. If Chuck and Dan can pry a piece or two out of them, I think you definitely look at trading with them. Maybe you can package him with Atkinson or JVR and get a significant return. Retaining salary is another asset in a trade. But I digress, the Flyers are just a piece or 2 away, a couple more $6.5 mill per year injured 32 year olds away from a hard run at mediocre.

I get your point. It seems from the outside looking in the Flyers have this stubborn, frustrating ignorance about every aspect of the hockey ops. No matter how many times it bites them, they refuse to adopt to anything successful other organizations are doing. I admire and respect the loyalty to and from the alumni, it's a great club to be a part of. You can still be smart about the business of hockey and have a strong alumni club. For some reason, they refuse to be both. If they truly believe that Hayes Ellis and Coots are going to be healthy and lead them back to almost mediocre, then there really is no hope.

If these are the 3 guys you are pinning your future hopes on then IMHO the only future is barely mediocre, at best.

No shame in today's loss, this was a trap game for the Canes. Yeo should pull the goalie in tie games, he doesn't have the skill depth to compete in overtime or a shootout. I actually watched this game to see the Canes, usually they are fun to watch. This Flyer team has 3 guys that might be contributors to a Cup run in 4 or 5 years. The rest should be traded. It's good to dream. The bozos are probably still thinking they are a piece or 2 away from a run at a wildcard.

SHHHHHH! Don't give Chuck any stupid ideas.

In the NHL prior to bett turd, players stayed on a team sometimes for an entire career. They played for each other, and come playoff time they played for the love of the game. Also there was a code, and if you breached it, you dealt with 20 other guys. A simple body check wasn't outside the code like it is today. Today, an NHL team is 25 independent contractors. Would you work well in an environment where 4 guys make 40 to 50 per cent of the payroll and the scrubs split the rest? Also, today there is no disputing the players are faster, but not bigger, and they are in better shape, which isn't all good. These modern players train so hard and the game is so fast there is very little tolerance for their bodies to absorb the impacts. And lastly, and IMHO, there is no consequence to their actions. In an 82 game season, these guys have no problem sitting a 2 or 3 game suspension. The NHL has zero interest in lessening traumatic head injuries, so the cheap shots will go on and on.

This I support. I don't care who the captain is next year or the year after that. If and that's a huge if this rebuild is done right, the captain is an issue 3 or 4 years from now.

That's why they should trade him too.

If, and it's a big if, Chuck does include Frost and gets Newhook in the return, and the Flyers deem Ellis and Couturier as untouchables going forward, then you will merely be ruining Newhooks career. I have zero faith in Chuck to right this ship, when he has to answer total idiots like Scott and Homer.

Cam Atkinson is a better comparable to Tyler Toffoli. He should also be moved if that is the market value. (Or not).

Why pick 4th when you can pick 11th?

Hi Mike, you're kidding , right?!!! Call the Flyers office, they might pay you to sit in the seats.

Don't give them any ideas!

Every cup winner in the salary cap era was built by drafting well. In the case of Chicago, Tampa, Pittsburgh (8 cups) there are multiple top 3 picks. Is good luck needed to have those picks in good drafts, of course. Do the Flyers give anyone hope that they would even pick the right guy in a stacked draft? Have the Flyers of the past decade shown even a trace of proper asset management? Did the presser give us all a feeling of good times a comin? Do I sound like I'm off my meds yet? Thank goodness for netflix.

look like ponzi schemes the government is afraid of. They would lose out on their campaign contributions. Maybe that's what the Flyers have become. Money launderers. That would explain Hayes, Ellis and Coots.

Who are the 30 year olds with injury history and 6 years left at 6.5mill per on the Avalanche? Those are the prospects that chuck the turd is looking at getting back for Giroux. Today left me numb watching the presser. The arrogance and the ignorance is staggering. How the f(&k does comcast make money with that idiot involved?

Arrogance and ignorance has put the Flyers where they are today. Only empty seats are gonna get their attention. These buffoons are probably sitting in the hot tub thinking the injuries are an aberation and they are only 1 or 2 34 year olds away from a deep playoff run. BITFU Bobby C, BITFU.

No air conditioning, no ice in the drinks, no beer, peeing in a trough, great times, yet I was in awe every time I went in MLG. Lots of Marlie games, Toros games, concerts.

The 2020 aberation was due to Carter Hart, period. They got pushed around in the playoffs, it was only due to the goalie it took so long to end. Thats not on the coach, thats on management and the players. You don't need high end skill to have passion and grit.

This will be interesting, judging by Chuck's history. A frequent move in these kinds of trades is to take back salary. However, in the dysfunctional world of Flyers, albatross contracts with Hayes, Ellis and JVR make that moot. Newhook is a solid prospect, but picks from top 5 teams are less than likely to ever be top of the lineup players. Amassing as many picks as possible is the way to go, they then become negotiable assets to move up the draft board. At the end of the day though, I have absolutely zero confidence in this management group to properly rebuild this team. They are stuck in 1995.