@Polaris922 Dude, let me start by saying I am sorry to always pick apart your posts, and I don't mean to come off as a d***, but your name wouldn't happen to be Kuato would it? With these ridiculous statements about the Flyers I am thinking you do not even watch Flyers hockey. Let me break this down a little for you: 1) Pronger is one of the sole reasons that the team sniffed a shot at the cup in 2010. He is probably done now, so the team will have to figure that out. 2) Timonen had an outstanding year in 2012 (41 points and a +8, well above the league average) at 37 he still has gas in the tank and is an excellent defenseman and team player 3) Meszaros had a bad year due to injuries, but not too bad to amount 25 points and a +6 in 62 games. Let alone mostly as a 2nd/ 3rd pairing. 4) Matt Carle, your assessment of him made me make piss in my pants. First off, his shot blows; however, his skating ability and ability to move the puck effectively out of the D zone is what he does well. In addition, he can contribute on offense. But, at no point would somebody who watches this guy play say that Matt Carle is known for his shot. Please don't start saying long snappers = faceoff specialists Not for nothing, but maybe you should understand the dynamics of the team before spouting off such off base statements.