On 5/25/2023 at 11:08 AM, JR Ewing said:

 

a) Not to quibble, but he resigned. If he wants to coach again (and indications are that he wishes to) I'm sure he's attended seminars, training, etc.

b) It's possible that he'll never get another job in the NHL. Gary Bettman says it would take a one-on-one meeting with him, hearing him confess to the mistakes he's made as well as what he would do differently today, for him to be alright with Q getting another job. Quenneville coming into that meeting and being able to say "I attended this course and that seminar" would help his cause. I don't know how the future will work out, but I also wouldn't go so far as to say that his chances of coaching again are nil.

 

Ok...I just assumed that Quenneville resigned because he didn't want to put up with whatever his superiors wanted of him...maybe Quenneville knew he had to jump through hoops and decided to say **** you betman and retire instead of put up with their ****...

On 5/25/2023 at 11:08 AM, JR Ewing said:

 

I think it will be alright.

 

Gulutzan, with Mike Smith and Brian Elliot as his starting goaltenders, averaged 41 wins in his two seasons as coach, compared to Sutter's average of 44 wins. They each, in two seasons, made the playoffs one time. It's not as if all of the bag skates and shabby treatment of the players led to this incredible surge for the Flames the last two years.

 

Yeah...well I guess I just prefer Sutter and Hartley rather than Gulutzan and whatever Edmonton coach name is...even thought Conroy already says they going opposite of what Sutter and trusting the youth to win now...I like Craig Conroy and agree he's the best choice he's a popular guy plus I loved him when he and Sutter took Calgary to the finals...

Still I'm a Sutter fan through and through and when I played I liked a Sutter type coach rather than a buddy/friend type coach...

A team that revolts against their coach is too spoiled a team in my opinion...I guess we'll see what a new nicer coach can do with the remains of this Calgary team...but I think it'll just be a repeat of Gulatzen style coaching...

On 5/4/2023 at 7:52 AM, JR Ewing said:

 

I didn't say that he's a great person. We're talking about a group of athletes where, for many decades now, anything ranging from sexual abuse to gang rape is so rampant that one nation's hockey organization committee created a fund just to pay off victims with millions of dollars every year. They're either victimizers themselves and/or lace them up with those guys all around them every night. I'm going to guess they're much more forgiving than you or I would be to a winning coach who gets along with the everyday players, but ignored what happened to a Black Ace because he was so focused on winning.

 

Neither of us would hire him, but there's a whole pile of hockey men who would.

 

Quenville got fired from Florida because of what happened in Chicago he'll never be hired anywhere...

Happy that they gave Craig Conroy a chance instead of hiring anyone else...but I'm still depressed about losing Sutter plus probably losing Lucic and Backlund and more this year

I like the Deadpool movies better than Snoop the vampire killer movies...so it'd be Reynolds if I could pick...too bad they didn't just go in together as part of same buy group that'd be awesome like Snoop Dogg being in a Deadpool movie or at least his music being in the movies...

Finally McDavid vs Eichel in the playoffs

7 hours ago, Math said:

 

The Royal Gentleman Sweep is still eligible lol. 

 

Well, that Kraken team is gonna be a pain the arse. Despite the loss, that game rocked. Maybe the Stars thought (unconsciously) it was going to be okay after Pavelski's second goal, but from that point it was all Kraken for the first two period. They play a simple game made out of speed, hi-tempo offense and they won almost every battle on the boards while applying a strong forecheck that completely brutalized the Stars. Fortunately, DeBoer serve Seattle the same medecine starting the third and an OT dominated by the Stars. And like it's often the case in overtime, they allowed a bit of a strange goal coming from a turnover. That was quite the same scenario as the game #1 vs. the Wild.

 

Nothing to do for Öttinger in the four goals allowed in the first period, these were all perfect shots. I list this as an encouraging loss as the Kraken deserved the win.

Haha yeah the gentlemans sweep then...and yeah I thought Pavelski would get his 5th goal in overtime the day things were going Dallas had all the momentum and carried most of the play in overtime...also agree Ottinger was faced with perfect shots especially in overtime that Gourde goal just went into the one spot above his shoulder Ottinger covered most of the net except that one spot...similar to the Gaudreau overtime goal too last year just perfect shots...

Carolina sweeps

Well...there goes the sweep...

Yup politicians using public tax dollars to try and buy votes haha not at all surprising...

54 minutes ago, Brewin Flames said:

Flames’ Firing of Sutter Will Allow Team to Succeed and Stay Intact

May 1, 2023 by Rob Couch

 

After former general manager Brad Treliving stepped down after the season, it was thought that Darryl Sutter would remain, as the head coach as he had two years left at $4 million per season on his contract. That isn’t the case, as the Calgary Flames have fired him after less than three seasons as the head coach for what should be assumed to be a number of reasons.

Darryl Sutter, Head Coach of the Calgary Flames (Amy Irvin / The Hockey Writers)

Although Tyler Toffoli publicly defended Sutter, saying he’s the best coach he’s ever had, there’s some bias there, considering they won the Stanley Cup together in Los Angeles years back. The rest of the team didn’t think the same way as Sutter wasn’t on the same page, especially this season. He is known as a hard-nosed coach but took comments too far this season toward veterans to rookies. The former Flames’ head coach might have had success in the past and even last season with the team, but his coaching method is outdated and wasn’t working anymore with a bit of a different roster this season.

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What factors played into Darryl Sutter being fired as Flames head coach?

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Why Maloney feels head coach tenures in today’s NHL is shorter, unless you’re winning

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Why Sutter's replacement needs to relate better to younger players and get Huberdeau going

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Maloney confirms Kylington wants to return to Flames, and doesn’t think roster needs major overhaul

 

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Almost any replacement the Flames find in the offseason is going to be better suited for this Flames roster, as many players are set to bounce back, they’re already built for strong defensive play and can use a mind that has a bigger focus on the offensive side.

Uncertainty Heading Into the Offseason

 

In exit interviews, two key players heading into the final year of their contracts were uncertain about their futures in Calgary – Elias Lindholm and Mikael Backlund. These two players make up two of the top three centers, and while Lindholm couldn’t replicate the success he’s had in seasons prior with new linemates, Backlund had a career year on the third line and was a very important player. Both Lindholm and Backlund wouldn’t state whether they would consider re-signing with the Flames, and they would see how the offseason went.

Mikael Backlund, Calgary Flames (Amy Irvin / The Hockey Writers)

I for one thought that meant they wanted to see what additions the general manager made to the team and if Sutter would be back next season. While Treliving did all he could to recover from the last-minute Johnny Gaudreau and Matthew Tkachuk situation last summer, I did not doubt that he was set to make some big moves once again, as the team has already committed to Jonathan Huberdeau, Nazem Kadri, and MacKenzie Weegar long-term as they can’t afford a rebuild and to miss their Stanley Cup window. While Treliving stepped down because it seemed he and Sutter were on different pages, the team will have a different voice behind the bench and give players better opportunities.

 

While players who were signed long-term expressed their negative feelings towards how they were being coached, and that might have had a part to play in Sutter’s firing, the risk of losing upcoming free agents is a bit scarier for the organization. Lindholm and Backlund have been major pieces for the Flames for a number of years now, as they are both very good defensively. Centers are not easy to come by, especially ones who can provide offence and defence as these two can. If the necessary changes weren’t made, there was a good chance both could have walked to free agency after next season or even be traded. Assuming changing head coaches was something these individuals wanted, it’s hard to say if that is it or if they are also waiting to see what direction the team is actually heading in.

Opportunity All-Around

Generally, when there is a new coach behind the bench, he likes to give everyone an equal opportunity to show him what they got. Most times this makes the team play better as a whole because players also think it is their shot to get noticed and play more. We saw this season after the coaching carousel that most of the teams performed much better than their prior season. Take the Boston Bruins, Dallas Stars, and Vegas Golden Knights, for example. All started great out of the gate and held strong the entire season. This is what can be in store for the Flames with a new coach as well.

 

Under Sutter, prospects and young players had a very hard time getting into the lineup. Matthew Phillips was once again overlooked, and when he did get his shot, the 24-year-old averaged 9:02 of ice time over two games before being sent back down. Other prospects like Jakob Pelletier, Walker Duehr, and Adam Ruzicka should have also gotten more playing time, but Sutter elected to continue to go with the veterans, even giving Milan Lucic second-line minutes at certain points in the season and refusing to make him a healthy scratch until very late in the season.

 

The Flames still have some convincing to do regarding a number of key players, and it should go deeper than just a coaching change. Although it is a good start, expect more moves and the Flames to bounce back in 2023-24.

I heard this story before when they hired Gulatzan hahaha...I don't know just listening to our new president of hockey operations Don Maloney and the CEO John Bean these guys sound like they full of baloney these two talk and act real shifty and weak...hopefully things get better for Calgary but with these two in charge I doubt it...

1 minute ago, Brewin Flames said:

Yep...100 percent agree.

 

I watched at least 20 times to see if there i was a way i could try and defend it as a good check, but over and over again it's clear the the principle point of contact is the head.

Principle point yes because he is skating in straight line at full speed the head leads of course in straight line full speed skating situations...so only way to stop him in this case is to go through him like the announcer said by hitting through in a straight line because Trouba can't hit Meier body in a straight line without hitting his head first...just 2 straight lines hitting into each other Meier leading with his head and Trouba leading with his shoulders...

4 hours ago, JR Ewing said:

That was a headshot, and spare me the "centre of the body stuff" that apologists will come in with. That was a clear-cut shoulder to the head: Meier’s head did not change position over the 10-20 feet he travelled before the hit. The head was the primary point of contact, and it's not even up for debate. That is Scott Stevens’ headshot technique on full display in HDTV in the only game people could watch tonight.

 

 

Yeah Scott Stevens style for sure...but it's still a good hit...Meier and Trouba are like 2 trains going straight at each other here on a straight track...of course Trouba could ease off the hit out of sympathy but that wouldn't be fair to his team and Ranger fans...plus can't just let opponents gain ice just because their head is down...

I'm just shocked...

11 hours ago, Math said:

Goalies: 

Defense: 

Offense: 

Special teams (PP/PK): 

Coaching: 

Mental: 

Experience: 

Robustness: 

Depth: 

 

The goal is clear for Vegas: staying out of the box: Edmonton's PP is just insane but I don't trust Skinner/Campbell at all. This one can go to the limit as well but I'll go with Oilers in 7 because of special teams.

Agree with your ratings here except for experience I'll give the edge to Vegas they still have players left that went to the Cup finals...it's a coin toss for me...I could see Vegas winning in 6 or 7 too...but the McDavid factor is too strong so I'll take Edmonton in 7...

11 hours ago, Math said:

Goalies: 

Defense: 

Offense: 

Special teams (PP/PK): 

Coaching: 

Mental: 

Experience: 

Robustness: 

Depth: 

 

That seems unbalanced but the Kraken can count on four solid lines while the Stars are mostly relying on their top-6, and we've seen the result of such a match-up... The Kraken has nothing to lose. However, Special teams is Seattle's big achilles heel and Öttinger was stellar for the Stars. Missing McCann is huge loss for Seattle and the Stars could see the return of Pavelski. I'll go with a not-so-objective Stars in 6.

Can't argue with your ratings I say Dallas sweeps here...I'm shocked Seattle even made the playoffs and blown away that they even beat Colorado...

Waste of 4 million/year for next 2 years firing Sutter...anyways I personally would never fire Sutter no matter what the players say...I mean yeah players run show now look at the NBA with LeBron James etc and the NHL wants to follow the same money making path as the NBA and even players like McDavid and Patrick Kane obviously run their teams and are have more influence than their coaches and those players obviously win championships...

But personally I don't agree...I means what's the point of having a coach if the coach is just a cheerleader for their players...? I'll always want Sutter for a coach he's the only coach to bring Calgary to the Cup finals besides Terry Crisp and I doubt whoever they hire next week be close to what Sutter did and could do for this team...

This is a sad and tragic day for me as other Flames fans that feel the same...just like when they fired Terry Crisp the year after winning the Cup...

6 hours ago, radoran said:

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/~2678238

 

Sounds like parts of the entire organization were in open rebellion.

 

The GM already quit.

Maybe Treliving wanted to keep Sutter it was Treliving that extended Sutter remember...

Injuries for Winnipeg ruined them these last couple games...

On 4/17/2023 at 3:51 AM, Villella McMeans said:

Wow...well I'll be shocked if that happens...in fact I'll be surprised if Colorado doesn't sweep...

Welp...there goes the sweep...

1 hour ago, JR Ewing said:

 

I thought you'd have some love for Cliff: he was the GM for the Cup winning Flames in 1989.

 

Nope no love he fired the only coach that won us the Cup the year after winning it just because we lost in first round...way I see it is that we won despite having that idiot for GM...

1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

You're think about his dad....Chuck will fix his dad's mistakes!!!!

 

Ok yeah hard to say that with a straight face...but if he is your GM maybe we can trade you some of his junk he collected in Philly!

Oh yeah that was his dad hahaha yeesh worst hockey genes in all of history...almost worse than Mike Millbury...

Good hit and Dumba not afraid to fight afterwards either

10 hours ago, JR Ewing said:

 

Multiple reports from hockey insiders, throughout the season, stated that the players were unhappy and frustrated with Sutter, with Huberdeau's agent even publicly taking a shot at what he cited as negatvitiy from the coach. Just yesterday, Elliot Friedman reported that there had been a growing disconnect between coach and GM, with Sutter choosing not to use young players like Matthew Phillips and Jokab Pelletier. Friedman reports that Sutter and Treliving were offered contract extensions last fall, with Sutter accepting his and Treliving declining. Note that it didn't say that Treliving extended Sutter, but that the team did.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/friedman-deteriorating-relationship-with-darryl-sutter-played-role-in-brad-trelivings-exit/ar-AA19YVw6

 

The organization is committed to Sutter, but it's not nearly as cut-and-dried to say that the players are. If it was just a report or two, I could see it being just a rumour, but this has come up too often and from too many sources to just dismiss the matter as idle talk.

 

Yeah I seen those reports too and I can understand probably Huberdeau and Kadri not used to Sutter style but I think the majority Calgary players love Sutter especially the ones that played for him before such as Toffoli and Lucic and Lewis etc...anyways I'm sure they'll all get used to him next year and the younger guys will get a chance to play more too...

14 hours ago, yave1964 said:

I felt he was trapped between the devil and the deep blue sea when gaudreau walked and Tkachuk said he was as well. He boldly went for it, it didn't work out but unlike an absolute ton of execs in all fields who would have played it conservative to try to add a few years to his shelf life he showed guts. It didn't work but he deserves to be commended for trying.

He I have no complaints with how he managed Calgary getting Huberdeau Weegar and Kadri was the best anyone could do he that situation and getting Stecher and Ritchie before the deadline was the best we could do too without breaking up our lineup...it didn't get us to the playoffs but it wasn't anyone fault except the players themselves...