RonJeremy

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

 

I'm not even sure what Flyer hockey is anymore....but I'm pretty sure I don't want anyone on my team playing it. 

Flyer hockey has been boring, uninspired and unwatchable for the past 13-14 years . I'd love too see us get an exciting dman like Yakemchuck, the crowd would enjoy him hammering people with big checks and scoring some big PP goals.  If it came down to Catton or Helenius, I'd think Catton would bring more excitement and skill to the team and could be lethal with Michkov and Foerster on the off wing and with Yakemchuck on the  point. If that doesn't fix the PP nothing will.

9 minutes ago, jammer2 said:

Seeler and Walker were THE reason they were even a bubble team. Yeah, Seeler needs the right guy to play with...but you ice 7 Seelers against 7 Yorks and the Seeler team wins...and the fans cheer every shot block like its a goal. York does not play Flyer hockey....hes mid. 

The big question is who are we gonna pair with Seeler? I don't see Risto elevating Seelers game the way Walker did.

16 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

I'm not trading York or Drysdale to move up in this draft. This draft is rated all over the place, and a guy like Catton may well fall into our lap at #12. I doubt it, but it's possible. It's certainly a draft where the 2nd or 3rd or 4th best players in it could be picked much later. 

I'm all for trading for more draft picks. I'm not for trading assets and picks for one pick...unless that pick is Celebrini...and that ain't happening.

I wouldn't trade them to move up, but I would trade Drysdale for a top 10-11 pick, so I can get a center and a dman that can actually play defense. 

6 minutes ago, jammer2 said:

Seeler plays better D than York and has proven he can play top 4 minutes (with the right partner). 

 

Catton is special....dont care about his size.

Seeler had one good year after being a minor leaguer or 7th dman for 10 ten years.  He had a career season in his UFA contract year, I'm not sold on him. He very well could return to mediocrity after the big payday like most do.

2 hours ago, jammer2 said:

I dont think this is the draft to sit tight and let it fall to you. This is the draft where you get aggressive and reshape your future. Get Catton in the building. Move from 12 to 5-7ish  by using York to move up. Most will laugh at this...but the truth is, York is mid...at best. Drafted to be THE pp QB of the future...nope...he sucks doing that. Great skater....nope...mid. Great in his own zone? Nope...mid. What he can do is eat minutes...which is valuable...to a point. Give me Catton, take away York and let Seeler take his minutes. 

 A dependable top 4 Dman should allow you to go from 12 to 5-6. 

 

If not, wait be patient and if Catton is within 3-4 picks away...trade Farabee and a 2nd to move up. Think outside the box. We get Catton paired with Michkov, we are MUCH closer to a championship than before the draft. If it costs York (aka Mr.mid) or Farabee and a 2nd... well spent!

I would rather give up Drysdale, at least York can play defense.  Our defense is weak and I'd rather give up the guy who cant stay healthy and can't play defense. I don't disagree that so far York is plain vanilla but he's probably our best defensive dman. Bonk can replace the offense that Drysdale has yet to provide. I would also hope to keep the #12 and make a trade for a pick around 9-11. Then hopefully we can get Catton/Helnius and Yakemchuck.  I also wouldn't mind trading the 32 pick plus something else to move up and get a power winger like Sennecke. We have enough trade chips, Laughton,TK, Drysdale, Farabee to attempt this as long as other teams are willing . If we came away with a  Catton or Helenius, Yakemchuck and Sennecke, that's a tremendous draft. Then next year we can draft another center, hopefully a big center.

18 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Is it though??

 

Remember regardless of the name of the city it's California.

 

Jets have a foot in the door of the playoffs they've already wasted 9 years of Hell Boy's career 4 of the last in his prime.

 

He'll be 37 at the end of his contract if they don't think they can win within the next 3 years they might as well just blow it up then.

 

Cam might win a RW spot on their club in the bottom 6.

 

I'd pick up 50% of his contract to help ease that along unless they want to discuss something more around Perfetti coming back i'd listen.

 

if not i appreciate the business finding a spot for Cam...for whatever you want back 5th or 6th rounder.

 I meant from the weather standpoint. After about 20 games when Atkinson has no goals, he can enjoy the nice weather in SJ, rather than freeze his sack off in a place like Winnipeg. SJ is not quite the shathole that LA and SF have become.

27 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

It's the whole thing about his modified No Trade Clause - he has a 10 team exclusion and San Jose is on it.

 

I'd take $3.5M to do nothing or $5.2M to serve popcorn in a heartbeat.

Me too, but I think Atkinson wants to play and if SJ is the only team that wants you, then one year in SJ isn't bad. It's alot better than a winter in Winnipeg. 

36 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

What is Danny up to???

 

 

 

He's not keen on SJ , is he more keen to be bought out and not playing at all . How about a trip to the AHL. It's not like he's in demand. How about being the popcorn boy in the press box. 

On 6/14/2024 at 9:40 AM, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

But you know what they can have? Their NHLPA union rep have an investigation into why there are so many players on this team that end up with these core/sports hernia surgeries. It's funny that I don't see other teams that have this high of a number of players that have had or are having this surgery. The fact that the union rep is silent is very concerning.

Drysdale was probably damaged good when we traded for him. Briere should have asked for additional compensation or nullify the trade. Our training staff must still be incompetent if they didn’t catch the injury right away. I can’t think he got this injury in the whole ten games he played for us or whatever it was. We have traded for three injured players , Ellis, Drysdale and Johansen. Great job.

7 hours ago, ruxpin said:

 

Konecny+ (what) gets you krebbs and the first? 

 

Who else would you target besides Krebbs?

Krebs has only scored a  grand total of 20 goals in three NHL seasons. I don't think we want him? Now is this his fault or the fault of Buffalos coaching staff. I don't know if we need any more projects, we are not exactly known for developing our own guys either. 

42 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Ya, I'd have to dig through everyones prospects to give a solid answer...I was just going off the top of my head. I also figured Buffalo has to be getting pretty tired of drafting high every single year and never getting better, so maybe pull the trigger on a really good, not too old player. 

If someone like Catton or Helenius fall to Buffalos pick, maybe they would want a spark plug like TK for their pick and we can draft a center with their pick and with our pick we grab Yakemchuck.  This scenario would require some luck. I just wonder if TK is worth a bit more than a #10? I would think an additional second round pick the next year would be fair?

8 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

And luckily, Konecny was on the verge of being Justin-Williamsed as a mild disappointment rather than the irreplaceable true Flyer he is today when he signed his last deal and so doesn't have a No Movement Clause.

 

He signs for 8Y/$9M July 1. Book it.

 

So just as the Flyers become a good team, he and Coots can both be useless.

1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Buffalo is pretty loaded at C prospect-wise.

Buffalo just unloaded Mittlestadt  for Byrum,Krebs has been a massive disappointment . Word is they are looking to draft Catton or Helenius. So I don't think they are gonna deal whatever good centers they have left and I don't see why we woukd want Krebs and his four goals. So I have no idea who else has centers we would want. 

10 hours ago, jammer2 said:

I saw this also. A mid to late 1st and top prospect peaks my interest. Not perfect with Gabe being a RW...but a real nice starting point! Like others have mentioned...get the talent in the building and then make adjustments. 

He is a right wing but a left handed shot, so we could move him over to LW. Konecny is our top trade chip and we really want a center. We probably won't get one in the upcoming draft, unless Yakemchuck is gone and Catton or Helunuis drop . Maybe a bottom five team wants Konecny and gives us their pick and then we take Lindstrom. 

5 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Aside from all that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

 

I fell asleep.

1 hour ago, radoran said:

 

To your point, the main focus of Danny Jones, LLP has been to "reestablish Flyer Culture" which on the face of it sounds like a Good Thing and then you remember that Flyer Culture hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1975.

 

It's not hard to be a middling bubble playoff team in the league (despite Buffalo and Arizona).

 

It's really hard to make the jump from "making the playoffs" to "the next step."

 

Just ask Carolina. Since they won the Cup in Y1 post-cap, they are 0-12 in Conference Finals including 0-8 during the six year playoff run they have going.

It’s harder than ever to win,  you have to draft the right players and actually have them fit in with your nucleus, so this requires an actual plan, you just don’t collect pieces that don’t fit. Just look at the Sixers process, all the bad picks,bad trades and now their star is breaking down and had 2 years left and they aren’t even close.
 

You need to make the right trades at the right time, manage the contracts properly , have the proper coaching and development staff, you also have to have all that for your AHL team. You also have to manage the salary cap and do it all in a 3-4 year window as your team is hitting its peak, because once your guys get too old or the younger guys want a huge long term contract, it can fall apart quickly.

Another thing you see is ,the teams that think they are true contenders trade away first round picks and top young prospects for older guys and it usually fails and then you are F’d and have to rebuild again. Another big key is  just pure luck, sometimes the team with less injuries wins not the better team and you have to get some of the bounces and calls in the playoffs.

We didn’t draft all the right players, didn’t develop the good players that we did draft,  we made bad trades our coaching was bad in pros and in the AHL, our  cap management was horrible, we had tons of injuries and plenty of bad luck, like Lindros, Patrick ,JVR, Gauthier and Hart . Other than that we are a model franchise.

4 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

He's scored at a pace that is in the Laine range. 

I don't know if he loves GTA 4 more than girls though.

So I'll retract the Laine comparison.

He is Barkov with the shot of Laughton?  

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

@RonJeremy

He's 18 playing in a pro men's league. And he's doing better than just surviving.

He compares to Laine and Barkov. 

You don't think the Flyers could use a player like that?

 

They need good players. 

If he's around when they pick they'd be fools to not at least consider him.

I'd be delighted if they picked him.

 

I don't know where the Laughton comparison comes from. If it's from a scout or people here doing their own research/or laziness oh he's not a game breaker he's a Laughton? 

I don't think it's a good comparison. 

If scouts say Barkov and we say Laughton ?

Like there isn't a chasm of ability between those players.

 

If he is the only thing available when we pick, then yeah, but I’d rather get a more dynamic player with a higher skill level. Ingila , Yakemchuck or something along those lines. 

9 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

He's nothing like Laughton. His numbers are on par with what Laine did in Liiga. His style of play of closer to that of Alexander Barkov. Helenius is good - real good. And another kid that just turned 18 not long ago, so another growth spurt and he's closer to six feet already. He's already 185 pounds so he's got a solid frame already. 

I’ve heard he is plain vanilla compared to the skill level of other players who may be available when we pick, nothing special in the skills area , just a solid two way player. I want more high end skill if it’s available for our pick.i I guess time will tell.

This is a paragraph from The Hockey Writers….

Helenius can really do it all. He’s determined and relentless, skates well, and uses his edges and quick changes effectively. He understands the defensive side of the game, knows how to pick off teammates who have the best chance at scoring with a strong pass, and has a quick, deceptive release. The only knock against him is that, of all these skills, none of them stand out above his competition

1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

That screams Cup winner!!!!

 

The Clarke Griswald Family Truckster.

40 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I've seen a few mocks that have Consta Helenius around at 12.

He's been scoring in that Finnish men's league as a boy. 

His time table for making the NHL might be quicker because of that.

I've also heard that he "doesn't have that top of the line-up skill". 

What I've noticed from Briere/Flahr is they take a big swing and then take a high floor guy.

Is this a year where the high floor guy gets picked 1st and the big swing is taken with the later pick?

I feel pretty strongly that I want #12 to contribute. 

I reckon it all depends on who is still on the board when the Flyers pick.

Helenius would be the safe pick and is a good two way player , he could end up being a more skilled version of Laughton.  Like a fancy station wagon. He is solid all around but has no standout attributes. He is typical of what the Flyers have always drafted in the past, there are a couple of big wingers like Greentree and Sennecke who have more high end skill but are more of a risk. One of them could make up for the loss of Gauthier.  Im hoping we trade up for Dickinson or else Yakemchuck  or Ingila falls to us. After that is rather take the runt Catton over Helenius. They keep saying we need higher end skill, so I hope we go for the skill with the first pick.

3 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

Watching the presser with Jonesy and Hillf...he has a hockey nickname so I guess he's "in", yesterday; Those guys spoke extensively about doing things the right way ,wanting to be a destination for free agents and playing for the Flyers meaning something more than just getting paid to play hockey.

Perhaps a different approach to rehab and injury recovery could be another way to separate the organization from the pack.

I know hockey players are tough but it would be great to be able to protect them from themselves. Keep them from coming back from an injury too early.

I admire the toughness, but a not fully recovered player isn't effective and often leads to the Flyers over the last 10 years.

 

If Drysdale's surgery was less significant than expected they should err on the side of caution to be sure he's really ready.

This could be another way Jonesy could "get it right".

As far as I know we have new trainers and medical staff. So I hope the injury problems improve. 

11 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Actually the shoulder injury does play in part with his core injury. That game against Pittsburgh where he hurt his shoulder, he leaned forward to reach the puck because he was really labouring with his skating that game. It was clear that the core injury (sports hernia) was bugging him. If he was healthy, he wouldn't have laboured and tried to reach for the puck. 

 

If you go back through his injury history, everything can be tied to not being fully healed. People have a tendency to overcompensate in other areas to protect an injury to help an injury heal. So, even if Drysdale had a shoulder injury, there was something else going on that caused him to overcompensate. 

 

I don't know about anyone else, but when I tore my groin muscle and adductor muscle, I ended up with hip issues. I was told in physio that I was overcompensating got those injuries by overextending using my left leg more than my right leg (tore the right from muscle). So yes, not being fully healed from other injuries can cause other injuries. 

 

I don't think Drysdale is injury prone because he wasn't injury prone in junior hockey. He has just had a series of unfortunate injuries. It happens.

I hope so, I'm fed up with all the injuries.  So many of our prospects were setback due to injuries,  then we traded for Ellis and he played four games, we acquired Johansen who is also injured. Then we traded for Drysdale who has had three major injuries/ surgeries . After all the Lindros injuries and then Nolan Patrick,  I'm a little skeptical of trading for or drafting any guys that got injured at a young age , especially multiple injuries. There's a good young center in the draft, Lindstrom who missed half a season with a bad back, even if I fell to us , I'd be very wary of drafting him, even though he us exactly what we need. We have been burned with these injuries too many times.

17 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Career ending? 

Lobotomy. 

2 hours ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said:

So, did he have surgery or was this just a guess because someone read something on webmd?

I heard Drysdale had surgery but the core injury was not a bad case and he will be ready for camp. Then again we heard that about alot of guys, who then needed a second surgery.  I think Risto had surgery too.