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I'm with you, something is amiss here. His Cap Hit was $875K and was qualified (10% raise). I'm betting he signed for $1.225 mm per year. Some of that may be bonuses. Cap geek is not updated yet.

@TedZep, This is exactly why the teams onle announce the "Upper Body injury" and "lower body injury". It keeps the punks from exploiting your injuries. If you don't want any type of retaliation, don't initiate it. You reap what you sow.

Exactly. "Malkin" him right in the head.

Jody Shelley says hello!

What's worse is the 2008 NHL All Star game was in Atlanta!!

It's a definite maybe. Winnipeg has shown they can support a team (at least in the short term) even though they previously lost one. Atlanta, however, failed miserably.

The Quebec Nordiques say hello!!!

And then sign Doan.

We aren't going to hear anything until late Wednesday, no matter what Nashville decides to do. They're going to make the Flyers (and us) sweat.

Weber is the only person I've ever seen put the puck through the net when the net was not torn. I still have no idea how that happened!

So, if Nashville does not match, does Homer trade some players to Nashville for the cap space and then sign Shane Doan? Holy Schnike!

LOL. Nice!

That $27 mil is a little misleading. Yes it is all within one calendar year, but the RFA/UFA is July to July. So technically, $14 mil this year and $14 mil next year. Nashville would only be have 11 Months in the first RFA/UFA year.

Well, if you were a Flyers fan you might feel differently! Just saying.

Who is Clark in the "Who, if any one, will the Flyers lose?" poll?

@jammer2, I saw that!! There were 77 pages when I saw the news for the first time! Incredible!

LOL. Nice catch. Eskin himself asked..."Howard Eskin‏@heskinCSN @howardeskin are you me?"

Well, I like this move by Homer. I'm not counting my chickens yet, though. Nashville has a week to offer and I'm sure they're sitting down going over every scenario to make this work for them. I got home from work and pulled up the forum. The only thing I can say after reading 12 pages in this thread is theat you guys need to get jobs or actually work while you're at the job!!!

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/flyers-talk/NHLs-offer-may-trigger-work-stoppage?blockID=741296&feedID=695 NHL's offer may trigger work stoppage Well, so much for a summer of cordial labor negotiations between NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr. Sources within the NHLPA confirmed to CSNNE.com over the weekend that the laughable first offer submitted by the NHL last week was indeed not a rumor. Here is the Greatest Hits package from the offer that left players scratching their heads: • The players would take an 11 percent cut from 57 percent of the revenue share to 46 percent. And they could take a cut of well over 20 percent as both sides haggle over what actually constitutes Hockey Related Revenue (HRR) in the next collective bargaining agreement. • The Salary Cap next season would be $52.516 million under the NHL's proposal – or more than $10 million less than it was during the 2011-12 NHL season. The cap ceiling would be just $4 million over the midpoint for each team. (According to capgeek.com 19 NHL teams are already over the proposed cap ceiling and the league is already $130 million in guaranteed money over the allowable salary for next season. The salary cap floor would remain $8 million under the midpoint total for each team.) • There would be a five-year term limit on player contracts with no signing bonuses, no arbitration rights and a minimum of 10 years of service within the NHL before a player is granted free agency. Currently a player is granted unrestricted free agency after seven NHL seasons or after reaching 27 years of age. Entry-level contracts for rookie players would extend from three years to five years. And those are just a few of the changes listed in the NHL's draconian opening offer. The league basically wants a caste system set in place in a league where not a single player is in the top 50 money-earners among US athletes. It wants to scale back player cost and hopes to turn the NHL into a throwback league where players are little more than indentured servants. In the proposed system the players have little bargaining power or negotiating clout until they are close to 30 years old. Until then, they'll simply have to eat whatever the owners decide to force-feed them as all pro athletes did before the days of Curt Flood in Major League Baseball. One source from the players’ end of things told CSNNE.com “there wasn’t a single thing in the NHL proposal” that would be embraced or approved by the NHLPA membership. Not even close. Instead the players are now trying to decide whether they should even accept the league’s first proposal as anything more than a list of stale jokes left over from the NHL Awards show. It’s interesting that the owners have made this proposal on the heels of their complaints about a broken system they missed an entire season to install in the first place. In reality, they’ve reached record highs in revenue over the last five seasons culminating in a record $3.3 billion last year. Exhibit A of the league’s hypocrisy: Minnesota Wild owner Craig Leopold complained about the need for a CBA change just months before ladling out $196 million in guaranteed money to both Zach Parise and Ryan Suter. Here’s what Leopold told the Star Tribune in April: "We're not making money, and that's one reason we need to fix our system. We need to fix how much we're spending right now. [The Wild's] revenues are fine. We're down a little bit in attendance, but we're up in sponsorships, we're up in TV revenue. And so the revenue that we're generating is not the issue as much as our expenses. And [the Wild's] biggest expense by far is player salaries.” Not a math major, Mr. Leopold, but it sounds like you willingly signed off on one of the biggest free agent spending binges in NHL history. Plenty of fun can be had with numbers over the course of negotiations, but it's worth noting that that league revenues have gone up by 50 percent since the end of the lockout in 2005. Player salaries have gone up by a rate of 15 percent during the same period of time. The NHL’s first CBA offer was unreasonable and one-sided, to put it kindly. It points to a summer-long exchange of labor ideas that will be far from the hug-fest both Bettman and Fehr waxed hopeful about during the last few months of the NHL season. There are normally two types of negotiations in pro sports, no matter what the situation. There is the cordial, professional type of contract talks where both sides want desperately to get a deal done. During those negotiations there are little if any hurt feelings when a resolution has been reached. A "happily ever after" marriage usually continues on both sides afterward. Then there are the negotiations where one side is immediately insulted by a lowball offer meant to either A) create dissension between the party they’re negotiating with or B) send a message there really isn’t a desire to reach common ground on a new contract. I’m willing to go with the former rather than the latter when it comes to the NHL as they have plenty to lose: television deals, rising ratings and record revenues along with that TV jewel known as the Winter Classic. The NHL also has a group of elite hockey players they have no choice but to employ if they want to keep the good hockey times rolling. But the league’s recent offer makes a work stoppage a distinct possibility. Both sides are getting ready to meet in New York this week to see if that can be avoided at this early stage of negotiations. Most industry insiders felt that a few months of the season would probably be missed, much like what the NBA went through last year. "When looking at labor negotiations you always look toward the other sports," said one industry insider to CSNNE.com. "The NBA didn't get started until Christmas, but attendance and TV ratings were strong by the time the playoffs rolled around. Nobody remembered the work stoppage. So the NHL could survive if they miss a few months." The presiding feeling was that the season would be back on schedule by December -- or at the very worst case when the Winter Classic was set to arrive on New Year’s Day. Now those thoughts have been shaken by one miserly, Montgomery Burns-like offer. It’s unclear whether the NHLPA plans to bring a counter-offer with them to the Big Apple as Bettman and Fehr ready for another round of discussions this week. But it might behoove the NHLPA to let the league know they mean business by coming down hard on the gag-filled first offering. Perhaps Fehr and his players will take the tact Michael Corleone chose in Godfather II. When Michael was being insulted by a crooked senator during an attempt to venture into the casino business, he provided us this cold-blooded line: “You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: Nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.” Perhaps Fehr and Co. could walk into the NHL offices this week, briefcases in hand, and calmly pronounce that their counter-offer is “nothing” and wait until September when owners might suddenly realize they’re killing their sport. They must understand that missing an entire year so close to the last lockout is akin to league suicide. But the NHL’s first penny-pinching offer isn’t a good sign that play will get underway without a Zdeno Chara-sized hitch this fall. In fact, right now, that seems to be the best-case scenario to an increasingly bad situation. Joe Haggerty is the Bruins insider for CSNNE.com.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=400580 {eot} The NHL has made the first move in labour negotiations with its union. Two media outlets reported Friday night that the league has made an initial offer to the NHL Players' Association with several major changes to the current collective bargaining agreement. RDS.ca posted details of the proposal, including a reduction of players' hockey-related revenues from 57 per cent to 46 per cent. Renaud Lavoie, a journalist with RDS, also reports that players would need to wait 10 seasons before becoming unrestricted free agents and that contracts would be limited to a maximum of five years. The RDS story also says that the NHL's proposal would bring an end to salary arbitration and that entry-level contracts would be five years instead of three as they are under the current CBA. Larry Brooks of the New York Post also tweeted that the NHL's proposal would eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals have an equal value for every year of the contract. "NHL proposal amounts to Declaration of War against NHLPA," added Brooks in a separate tweet.

[sarcasm font] That sure sounds positive to me!!! [/sarcasm font]

Those guys need some new sticks.

@hf101, I used to be pretty good with the cardiac disorders when I worked in the ICU, but that was 20 yrs ago. I remember studying up on "Sudden Death Syndrome" and that sounds like what happened with Brett. It isn't really a "heart attack" or Myocardial infarction in the true sense. Something happens to interupt the normal electrical activity of the heart and the heart goes into ventricular fibrillation. "Only 20 percent of cases exhibit symptoms, for the other 80 percent the first symptom is death." http://www.medicinenet.com/sudden_cardiac_death/article.htm http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/football/08/11/sudden.death.syndrome/index.html

Two thing that contribute greatly to that ranking, IMHO, are: 1. The Flyers are always drafting towards the end of the 1st round because they are consistently one of the best teams in the league. 2. Trading (unproven) prospects so they can accomplish #1.

I sent an e-mail inviting him to join over here. Hopefully, he will show up.