no but they dont rely on deflection goals, lucic and bickel know how to score goals in crucial times in the playoffs where was hartnell in the devils series last year, if he was so great? john leclair was old but knows how to shoot for goals in the playoffs in the tampa series in 2004, hartnell is no leclair, he's just a another scrub, he has no speed, no skill to score goals, has to rely on team mates and defections just to get goals. i just think you believe hartnell is just good as leclair, bickell and lucic.